[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.

[Some1]

Originally posted by Krsqk
Yeah, that's why he refuses to put a timeframe on the war, instead saying that we'll fight "as long as it takes."

Thats what he says now, but GWB told the US civilians/world before that this war would be swift and easy. If this turns out to be Vietnam 2, we'll see a huge shift in US opinions considering the war. GWB has just a year to complete this.

Also a big problem for him is that the iraqi summer is comming.

Thats why im afraid what GWB will do. When Someone is cornered (Bush or Sadam) he will do "strange" things.

R.

p.s. Who hacked Al Jazeera? Just patriotic Hackers? or maybe hackers supported by the US gouverment?... IF....

[dogscoff]

There is no spoon.

Yes there is.

*dogscoff waves a spoon in front of Aloofi's face.

Look! Spoon! Spoon! Oh hang on, that's a spork...

[primitive]

Found this list of the coalition members at CNN (Guess this is in addition to UK, USA and Australia) :
According to the Bush administration and press reports, the coalition consists of: Afghanistan, Albania, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, Costa Rica, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, Palau, the Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Rwanda, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Spain, Turkey, Uganda, and Uzbekistan.

Can anyone else spot some countries here you normally wouldn’t find in a coalition fighting for “democracy and human rights” ?
Wonder what reason they are giving their own population for joining the coalition ?

And then there are of course some countries that have absolutely no armed forces at all. Well, I guess GWB really appreciate the moral support as he don’t get very much of it.

[henk brouwer]

I'm ashamed that the Netherlands are in that list, the majority of the population is against the war though. The goverment that made that decision had to resign a couple of months ago and will only be in office untill the coalition talks for the new goverment are ready, also it's only political support not military, whatever that may mean. I hope the new goverment will show some more common sense.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Mephisto:
Granted, there was not much time left but I think at least one or two more weeks would have been possible.

Actually no, one or two more weeks was not an option. But not because of the US/UK. The final UN resolution that never came to a vote would have given the Iraqii's another week. But the French and Russians made it clear they would veto it if it had any sort of ultimatum or approval to use force at the end of it. France had determined they were not going to approve the use of force under any circumstances until the inspectors made the determination that they could do nothing more constructive. (I think that was Chiracs term. I can find the link if it matters.) They would not consider any timetable, no matter how long. Of course that would have never happened. The inspectors were being duped, and they would have gone on being duped forever if neccesary.

If you used this money to support the troops over summer and maybe avoid the war altogether, it would be worth it and maybe it would even be a cheaper way. But we’ll never know.

Maybe I am naive, but for me the money is irrelevant. 75-100 billion dollars sounds like a lot of money, but it's not that big a deal when you compare it to the gross national product. And what exactly is the monetary value of our national security? What is the value of a human life, American, British or Iraqii? I don't like getting into those sorts of discussions because to me it cheapens all of us.

What is not irrelevant is the degradation of operational readiness of the forces sitting in the desert. You can't keep the soldiers on a razors edge like that for months and then expect them to be able to perform at their peak once you give them the go.

The only relevant question in this regard is was their any usefull purpose for continued inspections. I believe there was not. I am human and will allow the possibility that I am wrong on that point, but that determination being made deadlines and timetables become irrelevant. You go when you believe your forces are operationally ready, or you don't go at all.

Geoschmo

[Ward]

Found this list of the coalition members at CNN (Guess this is in addition to UK, USA and Australia): ...Czech Republic...

As far as I know and can speak for my country we are not members of any coalition. We did't approve the attack but we sent anti-chemical(don't know the right term) squad to help anyone affected by any biological weapons. We are not under US command(well the reality in Irak is a bit different but this is how the orders were given when the unit left the country). We would help anyone including Irak's citizents. I wonder how many other countries were added to that list unvoluntarily.

[PsychoTechFreak]

WMDs--My guess is that Saddam will use them at some time against the US troops, provided he gets the chance. I also have a suspicion that he has several mobile launchers sitting out in the desert, just in range of...the coalition POW camp. Yep, let's finish off the infidels and the cowardly traitors at the same time.

Thats why im afraid what GWB will do. When Someone is cornered (Bush or Sadam) he will do "strange" things.

R.

p.s. Who hacked Al Jazeera? Just patriotic Hackers? or maybe hackers supported by the US gouverment?... IF....

Should I be surprised if GWB/CIA would throw a B- or C- bomb killing even coalition forces within the next weeks... Of course they would pin the blame for it on Iraq.

http://members.aol.com/erichuf/PainfulQuestions_1.pdf
http://www.erichufschmid.net/PainfulQuestions_2.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...-iraq-lie.html

Not necessarily my opinion, but I have lost my faith in almost everything and everyone (the theories about conspiracies included).

[dogscoff]

Interesting to see afghanistan on that list too. I guess you can hardly be surprised with the US pulling their strings now. I wonder what the afghanistani people think about it all.

[Crazy_Dog]

If anyone want to read intel from the russian side
http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...Id=902&sesid=2

[Hunkpapa]

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D7Q262I80.html

That's real nice, firing at your own people who are trying to get out.

And we are still being questioned for trying to oust him?

Anyone read what his son did to the Olympic Athletes who failed, there is another real 'humanitarian'.