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Old March 28th, 2003, 05:31 PM
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Crazy_dog:
Thanks for the link. The info is great, and I’m sure it is more accurate than the BS we can get from our Western media (lots of eye-candy, but low on facts).

Hunkpapa:
Nobody on these forums has ever called Saddam a nice guy. We know all about the atrocities he has committed. But that is not what this war is about.

Dogscoff:
My guess is that most Afghanis don’t know (like most Czechs ).
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Old March 28th, 2003, 07:25 PM
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and the loser is.....
Turkey

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...653857544.html
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Old March 28th, 2003, 09:57 PM

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http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/28/iraq_syria030328

ANYONE NOTICE WHERE THIS IS GOING.

20 dollars on Iran to show in the 3rd race of the afternoon.
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Old March 28th, 2003, 10:03 PM

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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea....marshall.html
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Guys, you got to read this!
What's next?
Will they start lynching people?

"Last week, the Shelby County Alabama Legislative Delegation hosted a
"Stand
Up for America Rally." More than 1,200 people attended including featured
speakers Chief Justice Roy Moore, Adjutant General Mark Bowen and Alabama
State Auditor Beth Chapman.

Below is a copy of Mrs. Chapman's speech, which resulted in five standing
ovations, tremendous applause and an encore. It's a short read and well
worth it.

"I'm here tonight because men and women of the United States military have
given their lives for my freedom. I am not here tonight because Sheryl
Crowe, Rosie O'Donnell, Martin Sheen, George Clooney, Jane Fonda or Phil
Donahue, sacrificed their lives for me.

If my memory serves me correctly, it was not movie stars or musicians, but
the United States Military who fought on the shores of Iwo Jima, the
jungles
of Vietnam, and the beaches of Normandy. Tonight, I say we should support
the President of the United States and the U.S. Military and tell the
liberal, tree-hugging, Birkenstock-wearing, hippy, tie-dyed liberals to go
make their movies and music and whine somewhere else.

After all, if they lived in Iraq, they wouldn't be allowed the freedom of
speech they're being given here today. Ironically, they would be put to
death at the hands of Sadam Husssein or Osama Bin Laden. I want to know
how
the very people who are against war because of the loss of life, can
possibly be the same people who are for abortion?

They are the same people who are for animal rights but against the rights
of
the unborn. The movie stars say they want to go to Iraq and serve as
"human
shields" for the Iraqis. I say let them buy a one-way ticket and go.

No one likes war. I hate war! But the one thing I hate more is the fact
that
this country has been forced into war - innocent people have lost their
lives -- and there but for the grace of God, it could have been my
brother,
my husband, or even worse my own son.

On December 7, 1941, there are no records of movie stars treading the
blazing waters of Pearl Harbor.

On September 11, 2001, there are no photos of movie stars standing as
"human
shields" against the debris and falling bodies ascending from the World
Trade Center. There were only policemen and firemen - -underpaid civil
servants who gave their all with nothing expected in return.

When the USS Cole was bombed, there were no movie stars guarding the ship
--
where were the human shields then?

If America's movie stars want to be human shields, let them shield the
gang-ridden streets of Los Angeles, or New York City, let them shield the
lives of the children of North Birmingham whose mothers lay them down to
sleep on the floor each night to shelter them from stray bullets.

If they want to be human shields, I say let them shield the men and women
of
honesty and integrity that epitomizes courage and embody the spirit of
freedom by wearing the proud uniforms of the United States Military. Those
are the people who have earned and deserve shielding!

Throughout the course of history, this country has remained free, not
because of movie stars and liberal activists, but because of brave men and
women who hated war too. However, they lay down their lives so that we all
may live in freedom. After all - "What greater love hath no man, that he
lay
down his life for his friend," or in this case a country.

We should give our military honor and acknowledgement and not let their
lives be in vain. If you want to see true human shields, walk through
Arlington Cemetery. There lie human shields, heroes, and the BRAVE
Americans
who didn't get on television and talk about being a human shield - they
were
human shields.

I thank God tonight for freedom - - those who bought and paid for it with
their lives in the past -- those who will protect it in the present and
defend it in the future.

America has remained silent too long! God-fearing people have remained
silent too long!

We must lift our voices united in a humble prayer to God for guidance and
the strength and courage to sustain us throughout whatever the future may
hold.

After the tragic events of Sept. 11th, my then eleven-year-old son said
terrorism is a war against them and us and if you're not one of us, then
you're one of them.

So in closing tonight, let us be of one accord, let us stand proud, and
let
us be the human shields of prayer, encouragement and support for the
President, our troops and their families and our country.

May God bless America, the land of the free, the home of the brave and the
greatest country on the face of this earth!"
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An the tension escalates with Syria

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...653885385.html
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Have you seen Bushs war record for when his country called for him.

18 months awol National Guard Texas.

some even may say it is Desertion..

cheney.... deferments "had other priorities than military service

Ashcroft

WEll you get the picture...

Perhaps the speach could have went like this

"I'm here tonight because men and women of the United States military have
given their lives for my freedom. I am not here tonight because George Bush Jr, Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, or John Ashcroft, sacrificed their lives for me.

If my memory serves me correctly, it was not Republicans or Republicans, but
the United States Military who fought on the shores of Iwo Jima, the
jungles
of Vietnam, and the beaches of Normandy.

.... well you get the picture again.

nice speach... well written

Thanks Aloofi I enjoyed that one.

Has anyone seen any reports of t-72's being destroyed, That is kind of nerve racking...
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Old March 29th, 2003, 12:09 AM

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no doubt the WMD have been secertly moved to Syria... Perhaps in July we can here that one...

Then come Novemenber... Iran....

If so... Every American has a democratic right to rally and rally and impeach the president, ( do not know how it happens, perhaps someone can explain), and get USA back on track and repair the damage that has been done. And make the world a safer place by making sure no chickenhawks get control again...
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It's kind of Pathetic

Of all the members of congress only 1 - the democratic senator of south dakota - out of 485(?) has their son or daughter serving in the military. If we had a draft with no deferments so that people like cheney and rumsfeld couldn't get out of it sending troops into adventures would be far less likely. Also - Gore actually volunteered to go to Vietnam unlike others - it may have been for cynical reasons but he still went.

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What Boot is calling for, in other words, is the creation of a de facto American empire in the Middle East. In fact, there's a subset of neocons who believe that given our unparalleled power, empire is our destiny and we might as well embrace it.
Didn't the Germans call this liebensraum? Is it me, or are these "neocons" (Neo-Conservatives) looking to be more and more like the National Socialist party of the 1930's?
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