[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics. - Page 70

Krsqk · #**691** March 29th, 2003, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by atari_eric:
Didn't the Germans call this liebensraum? Is it me, or are these "neocons" (Neo-Conservatives) looking to be more and more like the National Socialist party of the 1930's?

I'm not exactly sure which neo-conservatives those are. I have yet to hear anyone advocate the establishment of an American Empire. For one, the overwhelmingly vast majority of both liberals and conservatives would oppose it. Second, there is probably a subset of "neolibs" who would just as gladly impose a "welfare empire" on the world (some would argue that this already exists

).

Baron Munchausen · #**692** March 29th, 2003, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
no doubt the WMD have been secertly moved to Syria... Perhaps in July we can here that one...

Then come Novemenber... Iran....

If so... Every American has a democratic right to rally and rally and impeach the president, ( do not know how it happens, perhaps someone can explain), and get USA back on track and repair the damage that has been done. And make the world a safer place by making sure no chickenhawks get control again...

The US Congress has to act to impeach the President. Specifically, the House of Representatives has to bring out specific 'Articles of Impeachment' describing what he has done wrong and pass it. If it is passed, the Senate than acts as a 'jury' to try the President on the charges contained in the resolution passed by the House. Didn't you notice any of this when they impeached Clinton? IF the Congress had any spine this would be underway already. GWB has committed numerous crimes in launching this illegal war. But the knee-jerk patriotism is too strong and the Congress-sheep too timid to even discuss it.

Trivia -- Prior to Richard Nixon, the only president to have articles of impeachment introduced against him was Andrew Jackson. But Clinton was NOT the third President to have this happen. Who was the third?

[ March 29, 2003, 00:49: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

Mephisto · #**693** March 29th, 2003, 01:24 AM

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"Last week, the Shelby County Alabama Legislative Delegation hosted a "Stand Up for America Rally�."

Excuse me, people, but what a speech is this? I could turn this into a speech to support Nazi Germany in WW2 any time by just replacing the locations!

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Originally posted by atari_eric:
Didn't the Germans call this liebensraum?

/Smartass mode on
It was called lebensraum.
Leben equals live, liebe equals love.

/Smartass mode off

Baron Munchausen · #**694** March 29th, 2003, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by rextorres:
It's kind of Pathetic

Of all the members of congress only 1 - the democratic senator of south dakota - out of 485(?) has their son or daughter serving in the military. If we had a draft with no deferments so that people like cheney and rumsfeld couldn't get out of it sending troops into adventures would be far less likely. Also - Gore actually volunteered to go to Vietnam unlike others - it may have been for cynical reasons but he still went.

If we had a draft it ought to run in a different age range. In the past you'd be drafted at 18 or 19 (26 at most) and at that age most people are too conditioned by the propo^H^H^H^H^H patriotism radiating from all the media to know any better than to serve the war machine and go kill foreigners for disobeying their rightful rulers in Washington. If the draft were to run from about 21-35 with NO exceptions for college, marriage, etc. (which their used to be in the old draft) then ordinary 'middle class' citizens with responsibilities would have to pay attention to US foreign policy. Gratuitous wars on disobediant dictators would be much more difficult if millions of people who had established lives of their own and learned to think for themselves a bit were in the line of fire.

Thermodyne · #**695** March 29th, 2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by Crazy_Dog:
intel analysis update

http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...Id=954&sesid=2

You can�t be serious. Intel from un-named comm. intercepts? And no sources named? I hope that you realize that this is not intel, it is someone�s opinion.

tesco samoa · #**696** March 29th, 2003, 04:59 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Mar28.html

intersting article... Ran on the front page..

warning must put in some FF ( Fake Fields )

tesco samoa · #**697** March 29th, 2003, 05:02 PM

Thank you Baron.

US politics is kind of strange, from what i have learned about it over the Last 20 years. ( as is Canada's , Out of all the different types of Democracy, I think Switerland has the best of the systems )

So what do you think about how the US will take war criminals to trial in their own courts...

Do you believe that the US truelly believes that individual countries can prosecute warcriminals.

[ March 29, 2003, 15:07: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

Thermodyne · #**698** March 29th, 2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Thank you Baron.

US politics is kind of strange, from what i have learned about it over the Last 20 years. ( as is Canada's , Out of all the different types of Democracy, I think Switerland has the best of the systems )

So what do you think about how the US will take war criminals to trial in their own courts...

Do you believe that the US truelly believes that individual countries can prosecute warcriminals.

Historically, the winners tried the losers in Kangaroo courts. Being tried in the US courts could be their best chance to go free. The way our court system works these days, the war criminals could all walk free. I think they will be able to afford TV lawyers just like OJ.

I say let the new Iraqi government try them under Islamic law.

tesco samoa · #**699** March 29th, 2003, 05:26 PM

Thermo... you should like this link

http://agonist.org/annex/sitmap

Thermodyne · #**700** March 29th, 2003, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Thermo... you should like this link

http://agonist.org/annex/sitmap

Reminds me of the old play by mail war games

It has become obvious that the info being given to the news about future plans is not necessarily what they have in mind. And it is obvious that the original plan has been modified into something very different. This is normal; the first plan always goes to crap after contact. The thing that has me scratching my head is the lack of a heavy armored division. It is as if they wanted to make sure that this was an infantry war, not just a seek and kill against Saddam. But then why have two armored divisions packed up and ready to move? And where are the RoRo�s right now? I have been checking all of the usual sources, and have found no mention of them, except for the ships of the 4thMInf. Also, the First Arm. seems to be cutting way back on operations, at the same time they are flushing out with reservists. If we were war gaming this, I would be rounding up some larger maps right about now. I hope that the long range goals only included Iraq. The holding of the hard hitting units in reserve has me wondering. The units in country now, will require a long refit after Baghdad falls, but since they are not the first string; I wonder what the starters are being saved for?

[ March 29, 2003, 16:19: Message edited by: Thermodyne ]