[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics. - Page 78

Sinapus · #**771** April 2nd, 2003, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by rextorres:
Also Rumsfield's plan obviously screwed up the supply issue - it's not a good thing when an M1A1 is sitting in the desert with no gas.

I suppose your vast experience in military logistics tells you that?

The logistical train is catching up with the forward group. That's why they paused a few days ago.

It's not simply a matter of driving through a sector with a resupply depot, after all. (Or even fleeting 'tanker' ships with other ships.)

DavidG · #**772** April 2nd, 2003, 12:43 AM

So is Saddam even still alive? From the bits of news I've read it seems that since that first day there has not been any statement from him that proves he is. It does seem a bit strange that he has aired speeches that, if I am to believe the news stories, contain nothing that proves they weren't pre-taped. (ie no mention of any specific events)

Krsqk · #**773** April 2nd, 2003, 12:47 AM

From what I heard today, the statement given at noon EST today was dated 3-29-03.

MegaTrain · #**774** April 2nd, 2003, 12:49 AM

Worse than that--in an earlier speech he praised one of the southern forces that had already surrendered!

I highly suspect (although we may not know for quite a while) that he is dead or gravely injured.

Sinapus · #**775** April 2nd, 2003, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by oleg:

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/daily...927233,00.html

Is this true that the USA is setting up their own team of "WMD" inspectors......

Yes, it is contracted to a subsidiary of Halliburton of wich Dick Cheney was the chairman before joining Bush team. It is not about USA security, it is not even about oil. It is about personal greed of few Americans.

LINK!

[ April 01, 2003, 23:05: Message edited by: Sinapus ]

geoschmo · #**776** April 2nd, 2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by primitive:
So, another ”interesting ” incident. Marines kill 10 civilians, including 5 children under 5 years of age, in a van.

Probable reason: The vans driver did not understand a stop signal.

War Crime or acceptable collateral damage ?

Actual probable reason: The driver of the van intended for the van to be shot up and thus feed the flames of negative opinion in the world. Stop signals the world over are the same Primitive. When a man with a gun holds his hand up and then fires into the air, you stop. Where on earth does that mean "Keep going"?

Most likely a war crime. But one commited by the driver of the van, not the soldiers at the roadblock. Purposly taking a van full of innocents into harms way and then acting in a manner likely to get them injured or killed is no different then pulling the trigger yourself.

Geoschmo

primitive · #**777** April 2nd, 2003, 02:15 AM

DavidG
There is no such thing as unacceptable collateral damage. Its either a crime or it is what should be expected and therefore is acceptable.

Everybody knows Saddam is a war criminal and the number one bad guy. Please do not take every criticism of USA or US forces as support for Saddam.

tesco samoa · #**778** April 2nd, 2003, 02:33 AM

According to the terrorists. From the 93 bombings. No one is innocent. With the power of democracy it is you who has the power to vote in a govn't and support their foreign policy. Or something like that... Perhaps some one can find the complete quote and post it.

One must fight with what ever means they have. Where I was lucky to get out of it is well understood that if your on the other side of the fence your the enemy. To ignore that can be costly. So the people have choosen to continuely vote in more and more moderate politicians to slowly and surely change the political climate. It is working but takes years.

I guess I am trying to say I understand that statement. Do I agree with it. No. But I understand it. And perhaps when the next elections come around i will voice my opinion that the Middle East issue should be a topic of dicussion so I can formulate my opinions and cast my vote for the party that matches those opinions. If I do not like the results. I can always vote again down the road...

Roanon · #**779** April 2nd, 2003, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by primitive:
Please do not take every criticism of USA or US forces as support for Saddam.

That seems to be a common problem. Official viewpoint: the world is black and white. Divided into good and evil, and of course we are on the good side, and everyone who does not support us without questioning is on the other side.
It is not that simple, cowboys. Though I wish it were.

tesco samoa · #**780** April 2nd, 2003, 02:38 AM

http://www.iiss.org/news-more.php?it...bb3fb6856a3a91

an interesting link about the tatical use of suicide bombers