[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics. - Page 88

primitive · #**871** April 11th, 2003, 12:12 AM

Sorry Geo, but I find it hard to read yours (and others) Posts any other way.
The paranoia must be spreading

oleg · #**872** April 11th, 2003, 12:25 AM

Common guys, stop this nonsense about Oil, WMD and liberation of Iraq. The only selfconsistent explanation I know of is the Edip' complex of Bush junior. You see, he always wanted to kill his dad and his subconsious projected G.Bush senior onto S.Hussein as a personification. There is no need for any more complex conspiracy theories. This one is perfectly valid !

Thermodyne · #**873** April 11th, 2003, 12:40 AM

Rex, chill out a little. All will be come to light if we allow for people to do their jobs. By this
time tomorrow we will be reading about the Iraqi nuclear program. The leaks have already
started. While the world is better off with out the tauban we have already found. I suppose
they could have been saving it to make 5,ooo,ooo liters of Banned roach spray. We have already identified some sites where these agents were dumped recently. But check the news this week end, and see if you don�t hear about some WG plutonium. Could it be that we knew it was there? Could it be that we knew when it was sent there and from where it came? Could it be that this was part of the need to act quickly? And could this be the beginning of the end for
another government far from the sands of Iraq?

tesco samoa · #**874** April 11th, 2003, 12:49 AM

And MB... also remember that Iraq had no ties with the terrorists who did the sept. 11 attacks.

Bush himself stated that in a speack back in January.

You know. When I jumped into this thread at the beginning I was not decicided if I thought that this war was the best course of action.

Though the Last 100 odd pages I did form an opinion.

THat the war was wrong.

I have yet to see any proof that this war was necessary. And that the future events from this war is necessary. All pro war arguements were based on hyprocracy , fabrications, lies and what if's.

It did not sit well with my thoughts nor my feelings.

All I do know is that 10's of thousands Iraqs are dead , wounded or missing. THis occured in a few weeks. That a cluster bomb dropped on a heavily populated area is a WMD. That the cololition who is charged with bringing democracy to Iraq has members who's human rights violations rank up their with Iraq and are also dictatorships themselves.

I would like to be persuaded to believing that this was the right move. But pro war as the only solution arguement was weak ( to date).

So I ask , since this war is not over yet.

Why was this war needed?

Was it worth it ?

I feel horrible for thinking this. I doubt i am not the only one, but I for one hope that this drags out. That a bloody nose situation arrises so that the chicken hawks lose their power in dc. And that North America loses its apatite for waging war. For war should not come so easy as it has and as it has been offered the Last few months.

primitive · #**875** April 11th, 2003, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thermodyne:
Rex, chill out a little. All will be come to light if we allow for people to do their jobs. By this
time tomorrow we will be reading about the Iraqi nuclear program. The leaks have already
started. While the world is better off with out the tauban we have already found. I suppose
they could have been saving it to make 5,ooo,ooo liters of Banned roach spray. We have already identified some sites where these agents were dumped recently. But check the news this week end, and see if you don�t hear about some WG plutonium. Could it be that we knew it was there? Could it be that we knew when it was sent there and from where it came? Could it be that this was part of the need to act quickly? And could this be the beginning of the end for
another government far from the sands of Iraq?

As I just said, the paranoia is spreading.

If there are evidence presented tomorrow, lets hope it's more accurate then the "evidence" presented so far.
No more the of the fakes and circumstantial evidence from before the war.

Fyron · #**876** April 11th, 2003, 01:24 AM

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Fyron, Geo

For the 19th time in this thread alone: BEEING AGAINST THE WAR DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE PRO SADDAM.

It is a good thing that nothing I have ever said implied that in any way shape or form then. Unless, of course, you want to add more to my Posts than is there, and make up such claims.

Quote:

I have yet to see any proof that this war was necessary. And that the future events from this war is necessary. All pro war arguements were based on hyprocracy , fabrications, lies and what if's.

That is a lie. I suggest you unconvince yourself of that as soon as possible.

[ April 11, 2003, 00:26: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Thermodyne · #**877** April 11th, 2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
And MB... also remember that Iraq had no ties with the terrorists who did the sept. 11 attacks.

Two have been traced back to forged records that were tampered with during the occupation of Kuwait.

Also lets face reality here. No terrorist organization the size and complexity of Bin Laudins can function with out the services of a notional diplomatic organization, and the also need the protection and cover of national security organizations. As the remains of Iraq are examined, this will come to light.

Thermodyne · #**878** April 11th, 2003, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by primitive:

quote:
Originally posted by Thermodyne:
Rex, chill out a little. All will be come to light if we allow for people to do their jobs. By this
time tomorrow we will be reading about the Iraqi nuclear program. The leaks have already
started. While the world is better off with out the tauban we have already found. I suppose
they could have been saving it to make 5,ooo,ooo liters of Banned roach spray. We have already identified some sites where these agents were dumped recently. But check the news this week end, and see if you don�t hear about some WG plutonium. Could it be that we knew it was there? Could it be that we knew when it was sent there and from where it came? Could it be that this was part of the need to act quickly? And could this be the beginning of the end for
another government far from the sands of Iraq?

As I just said, the paranoia is spreading.

If there are evidence presented tomorrow, lets hope it's more accurate then the "evidence" presented so far.
No more the of the fakes and circumstantial evidence from before the war.

Oh the finding will not be the news, the source will be the news. Looked like a deal had been
worked out (Just my Opinion) but I think that fell apart on the road to Syria.

Wardad · #**879** April 11th, 2003, 01:44 AM

Why was this war needed???? and What do you mean this war????

Our involvement in the started in response to the invasion of Kuwait.
We went to war to liberate them, and we did it.
Guess what, the war did not end then. It takes both sides to end a war.
Saddam has never met the conditions of the cease fire.
So the war has not ended.
Does it make sense to ignore an armed, injured and insulted enemy?
It takes both sides to end a war.

primitive · #**880** April 11th, 2003, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thermodyne:

quote:
Originally posted by tesco samoa:
And MB... also remember that Iraq had no ties with the terrorists who did the sept. 11 attacks.

Two have been traced back to forged records that were tampered with during the occupation of Kuwait.

Also lets face reality here. No terrorist organization the size and complexity of Bin Laudins can function with out the services of a notional diplomatic organization, and the also need the protection and cover of national security organizations. As the remains of Iraq are examined, this will come to light.

Thermo:

Think we covered this before,
There are many reasons a Baluchi would like a Kuwaiti passport. This is circumstantial evidence
at most.

And reality ?
The Al Queada was mortal enemies of the secular Bath party. I doubt Saddam would have given any advanced weapons to Bin Laden as they just as well could end up beeing used on Iraq. The main political backer of Al Queda was Afghanistan (logically), with much of the funding coming from "friendly" nations like Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

I think even GWB has given up on pinning 9-11 on Saddam.