Does Umor Make Victims Suicidal?

[AlgaeNymph]

So the Eater of Gods attacked my pretender. What killed my pretender wasn't Umor, but my pretender repeatedly attacking himself. Is that supposed to happen?

[Humakty]

Can you describe a bit more ? (ie : weapons/spells used by your god)

[AlgaeNymph]

Some new information just came up:

My pretender wielded a dwarven hammer, and cast Summon Earthpower and Strength of Gaia. Umor was allegedly routed, but became invisible (except when clicking on a tile for unit information) and kept attacking.

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by AlgaeNymph

Some new information just came up:

My pretender wielded a dwarven hammer, and cast Summon Earthpower and Strength of Gaia. Umor was allegedly routed, but became invisible (except when clicking on a tile for unit information) and kept attacking.

Umor has three forms, and it sounds like you got him down to his third form, which has True Ethereal and Blood Vengeance +2. The "X has routed!" notice IIRC just means you've passed the 50% HP limit which requires all units to make a morale check every turn, which Umor will always make since he has Morale 30 (= always passes checks). Low MR on your god or a series of bad rolls could lead to failing every Blood Vengeance check, and thus damaging yourself instead of Umor on every attack.

-Max

[Sombre]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

The "X has routed!" notice IIRC just means you've passed the 50% HP limit which requires all units to make a morale check every turn, which Umor will always make since he has Morale 30 (= always passes checks).

I don't think this is true. I've never seen anything other than mindless or berserk units stick around after the siderout. I see no evidence of morale checks.

[vfb]

Originally Posted by Sombre

I don't think this is true. I've never seen anything other than mindless or berserk units stick around after the siderout. I see no evidence of morale checks.

OT: immortals also stick around after their side routs, unless they have morale<30 and fail a normal morale check.

Not OT: the debug output from the battle might provide some info on what's going on.

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by Sombre

I don't think this is true. I've never seen anything other than mindless or berserk units stick around after the siderout. I see no evidence of morale checks.

I have seen it frequently, or else my memory is lying to me. I guess I'll have to check when I get home. Usually it's elite sacreds or commanders.

-Max

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

I have seen it frequently, or else my memory is lying to me. I guess I'll have to check when I get home. Usually it's elite sacreds or commanders.

-Max

Okay, I checked this when I got home and I'm kind of puzzled. I went to a recent battle replay and killed off bunches of my units with Shift + 'K'. It consistently didn't happen that 50% death generated the rout notice, and I kept having to kill off somewhat more than 75% for the notice to happen. Each time I did it, the commander routed, but the one surviving unit did not--he did not get the Routing -4 penalty to defense, and he advanced toward the enemy and attacked. Note that both commander and unit had Morale 30. Perhaps it's just some kind of bug instead of by-design.

-Max

[Humakty]

It wasn't what I was thinking about. Blood Vengeance I think, Eater of gods has got BV 0/+1/+2, as it increases when he changes shape. That why your god his wacking himself.

[Sombre]

As long as they're in friendly dominion, yeah.