OT: Interesting Read

[CNCRaymond]

Firehouse Rot

Its a political article so be warned. Read at own risk.

Even More

Micheal Moore and the Truth I found this one to be the most interesting as I did not know about Moore, and I think everyone should.

[ August 04, 2004, 05:21: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

[Randallw]

Originally posted by CNCRaymond:


Micheal Moore and the Truth I found this one to be the most interesting as I did not know about Moore, and I think everyone should.

I must say I am relieved to find that there are people willing to make rational judgement of Michael Moore rather than automatically taking one viewpoint or the opposing. I dislike people who veil there own personal hatreds and goals as the "100% right thing, and anyone who disagrees might as well worship satan".

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Everything anyone says or does expresses an opinion. Taking that third article alone, you have no assurance that it is anything more than a lying, hate-fueled rant. additional data from at least one other source is needed to triangulate.

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
Everything anyone says or does expresses an opinion. Taking that third article alone, you have no assurance that it is anything more than a lying, hate-fueled rant. additional data from at least one other source is needed to triangulate.

There is a simple way to check at least one segment; get the movie, and confirm that it makes the points he says it does in the order he says it does. The rest, without listed sources, is very difficult to confirm or deny from other places; but if you were to watch the movie with the checklist in hand (esp., if you had it on DVD, and could pause easily), there's a pretty good chance you could confirm/deny the list, at least, in a reasonably certain manner.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

True, however, that still requires another data-source, the movie, for triangulation.

Which is a nit-pick.

[primitive]

Quality control:

Once again the ramblings of Cristopher Hitchens (a Vanity Fair columnist) pops up as “the truth”. This is a hateguy who takes a swing at anything that will get him a bit of attention. A personal favourite of mine is his attacks on Mother Theresa

Now, Michael Moore may not have the best cred in the world, but this Cristopher Hitchens has even less.

[Randallw]

Primtive. Thankyou for bringing his views of Saint Theresa of Calcutta to my attention. As much as I would like (nay, love even) to accept any criticism of Michael Moore as relevant, I now have to dismiss his opinion as criticism on a par with Michael Moore himself (and its a pity as he seemed to be pointing out the same ideas I had gathered). Narf, yes everyone has an opinion. It is inevitable that some people will disagree with other people. My stance is you can disagree with people while being polite. For example I vote Liberal, the opposition is Labour (or "the communists" as I call them). Opposition supporters are people too (I am told ) so I am polite if I meet them. It doesn't stop me hoping their opposing views never get power . Michael Moore is just rude, a man so angry at his party not being elected that he makes up stuff to criticise his government, this Cristopher Hitchens seemed to me to be reasonable although I think I may have seen him being annoying on tv.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I was encouraging skepticism, not a particular treatment of anybody.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

One can also analize the data for internal consistancy and signs of bias, but that requires previous experience to triangulate.

[CNCRaymond]

Trust me, if this article were the product of fiction, it would not have been posted at MSN.com.

MSN cannot afford to be victimized by a COOKED story.

There was an office joke going around about the kind of people who believed that the Blare Witch Project was a real documentary footage of some kids who mysteriously came up missing, are the same kind of people who believe that Moore’s movie is a factual and real documentary. LOL

I have to say, when I saw it, most of the people were booing at it. It was quite funny to say the least. Then I stumbled onto this article and now I know why they were laughing. Nearly the entire movie is BS. I feel completely duped by it as I thought I was seeing a factual and fair documentary on the President of the United States, created by a Filmmaker whom has been phrased for his honesty and integrity. Riiiiiiiighhhhhht.

I no the truth now.