T90s

[bhutnath]

hmm I think I had posted some stuff on light trucks.. but cant seem to find my post. any ways

Between India and Pakistan Orbats I couldnt help notice that the Al-khaid tank (which chinese tank copy is it?) has better penetration capabilities than the t90s. In a small test battle I found that the t90 struggled to penetrate the khalid which delt with the t90s with ease.

I couldnt help look up reviews of T90 on the web and have few questions regarding the one modeled here.
- The in game gun is labelled - 125mm d81 98, while all website report the gun to be - 125mm 2A46M smoothbore
are these guns essentialy the same?

The armor value against KE is reported to be 850mm if it can be trsuted (googled for it) and 1450 against heat for T90s. Do the numbers in the game represent protection in mm. So is the T90s front armor rating of 72 equivalent of 720mm?

I am trying to understand this discrepancy.

btw: I dont think India has a light bmp tank with vis 40. I understand that the orbat may have been put together some time back, but just pointers for folks to keep in mind for future upgrades? (I read the latest patch is going to include significant orbat updates, so just mentioning here)

A site I found on Indian armed forces - wwww.bharat-rakshak.com

-Ak

[bhutnath]

just wanted to add that even the t72m seems to have the same gun -
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITO...4-5/nitin.html

[Marcello]

"The in game gun is labelled - 125mm d81 98, while all website report the gun to be - 125mm 2A46M smoothbore
are these guns essentialy the same?"

Essentially, yes.There are various naming conventions for the 125mm guns used in the game.The date "98" (or 76 or 70) is basically used to give a clue about the ammunition employed by the gun."98" should mean that it uses a round introduced in 1998. Or at least that is what I have understood.

"which chinese tank copy is it?"

Type 96 (although others designations may have been used), with an engine made in Ukraine and maybe something else.

[Marcello]

"btw: I dont think India has a light bmp tank with vis 40"

After a quick reasearch it would appear that such vehicle was indeed developed and at least one prototype was put together, although in the end the program was cancelled.

[Marcello]

"btw: I dont think India has a light bmp tank with vis 40"

After a quick reasearch it would appear that such vehicle was indeed developed and at least one prototype was put together, although in the end the program was cancelled.

[PlasmaKrab]

Anyone here knows which 125mm sabot rounds the Indian forces use? That could be helpful in figuring out what they'd be worth against Khalids.
Recent Chinese rounds come with awesome stats (probably puffed up out of proportion somewhere along the way ), so if you trust what you find on the 'net, you'll have trouble coming up with equivalent Russian rounds.
I bet the Indians bought some along their T-90s, but who knows? (actually, I have no idea if the Pakistanis ever purchased advanced Chinese rounds, but hey, let's dream)

[JaM]

I think they have russian BM-42 and Israeli 125mm export rounds (640mm@2000m)

[bhutnath]

sorry been away due to pc trouble. I have no idea what rounds are their with Indian t90s but if they are indian manufactured you could discount their performance by 25% and that might be being generous
I believe the gov. control ordinance factories have a poor record with quality.

I have detail desciptions of the so called t90s+ which the indian army is suppose to standardise to (force magazine). Its apparantly a hybrid between T90 chasis and merk 4 turret! Ill try and post detail of the program in the coming days.
-Ak

[PlasmaKrab]

OK, just found this on Tanknet, it would appear that the Indian forces used hybrid rounds made from Russian penetrators and indigenous propellants:

http://www.tank-net.org/forums/lofiv...hp/t17902.html

[Djuice]

India uses a 3BM-42 (Mango) clone 125mm APFSDS-T. Reported penetration about 500mm @ 2000m. Around 550-560mm @ muzzle.
Out of a russian 125mm 2A46M 50cal gun.

http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data...tion/lc/26.htm

Pakistan uses the Chinese 125-I 125mm WHA APFSDS-T. Penetration about 460mm @ 2000m. Around 510mm @ muzzle.
Out of a Chinese 125mm 48cal gun.

There is no way it can penetrate a T-90 (cast) or T-90A/S (welded) @ any distance frontally.

http://www.pof.gov.pk/products/125mmapfsds.htm



The Al-Khalid is actually a chinese Type-90-IIM MBT with Ukrainian engine. Turret armour is around 600mm thick with composite construction. Hull is alot lower @ around 450-470mm thick. Compared against a T-90A/S of around 750-850mm thick with K-5 ERA @ the turret and around 700mm @ the hull also with K-5.