Newbee question

[bbz]

Hello, I am new around here, I have been playing the game for a while mostly sp checking the balance and picking a race to play with, so I read a lot of articles on the effectiveness of rudras and also read somewhere that a rudra is at least as valuable as 2 tartarians so I wanted to test that.
I downloaded the debug mod so that it's easy to test, then I created 2 usable tartarian titans, and outfitted them with brands some armour, shield and other stuff(fully) I outfitted coulple of rudras with different Items that are supposed to stop the titans sending them one by one to fight the tartarians, to my surprise rudras didnt win a single fight 1v2 fully outfitted. I must be doing something wrong so I was wondering what kind of items do u use in a case where you know you'll be facing tartarians and what script? (in tems of weapons I tried dual flambeau and tired 3x sword of swiftness + lucky coin)
So is it true that rudra is better in a head on fight against 2 tartarians (in case that they are fully outfitted) or is it normal for them to lose?
Any help with the rudra build will be appreciated

[NTJedi]

Rudras only have 32hitpoints so an equipped SC which attacks instantly will probably kill within one shot since the rudra might get one buff. The way rudras are probably better is the 4 map movement, flying, item slots, no gift of reason fee and not having the unpredictable weakness of shattered soul which haunts the Tartarians.

[Finalgenesis]

Well, one meaning of 1 rudra worth 2 tart titans is probably in general value. It's natively mobile (fly, trapeze), with excellent paths with useful combo, it can SC/battlemage with equal aplomb, no magic duel vulnerability and no 25% shattered soul (which can raze your temple and pillage your lands on top of just pouting). Tart titan have an immense variety of paths, some make excellent SC and some not, not all tart titans are created equal. Comparison between them is very slippery, think of it as rock paper scissor, the gear, script, circumstance all heavily influence any comparisons.

That said, in general an anti-tart setup rudra should be able take on general anti-chaff equipped tart titan 1v1 barring some bad luck (or even 1v2, depending on paths, script and gear). Are you buffing the right stuff and watching fatigue? As Jedi mentioned, if your rudra is expected and the tart in question is scripted and/or equipped for it, then it becomes a bit of a toss-up. Rudra NEEDs their buff, so as Jedi noted many flyers and the like can ruin their day if they don't have screens to buy some buff time (watching 75% hp loss route rule meanwhile...).

An actual example, lets say a tart Titan is armed with gladiator gloves, jade armor and a fly boots, scripted to attack on turn 1, I doubt a single lone rudra with any gear and script can win without a healthy helping of miracles. The devil is always in the details...

You also want to factor in situations that don't involve lone SC vs SC duels, often times you may have to wade through chaffs and spells to get at SCs in army battles, you have to tailor the gear/script to what you're facing.

Someone to buff Rudra up also help him realize his true potential, ethereal, luck, quick(ness)/(ening), weapon of sharpness, might of giant ...etc, though same is true of all units, just some more then others.

Then again, the value of rudra isn't always in its combat prowess, it can pay for keeps just as a battlemage (a highly mobile one at that!).

I'll throw one example out there, Rudra can cast wailing winds easily, and the nations that can summon rudra either has native awe troops/commanders or great national summons with awe while lacking easy access to A/D path combo. Against armies with morale (not mindless, not some undeads...etc) your gandharvas / kydnids or thug/SC with native awe/gleaming gold shield is going to really enjoy that refreshing breeze.

[bbz]

Aha thank you very much for the replies, I never realy used rudras as mages so im going to try it now, I got that misconseption as I read that rudra is the best anti-Sc but I guess vs 2 tartarians is pushing it a bit

[13lackGu4rd]

Rudra is 1 of the best anti SCs due to its 4 arms which allow for a variety of setups to counter a variety of SCs. with that said, they are farm from invincible themselves. everything has a counter, including the counters themselves. so it's mostly a matter of anticipating what the enemy is throwing at you and reacting accordingly, while keeping your own hand as close to your chest as you can to not leak information to your enemy.