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Old March 11th, 2011, 09:56 AM

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Default Austrian OOB

Hello, I encountered a problem with austrian OOB since one of the patches I installed on my CD version of SP:MBT:

1. missing S-70 Blackhawks of the austrian bundesheer
Since one of the patches to my CD version (I don't know which one, because I installed them all wihout testing every one of them) the Austrian S-70 Blackhawk helicopters are missing in the OOBs.

2. Austrian Jagdpanzer Kürassier have the Tandem-HEAT Ammo.
Since there was a report that austria has indeed a production ready Tandem-Heat Ammo for the 105mm G3, it never got to the troops and it will never be. Its relativly easy to answer why: this year (2011) the minister of defense decided, that austria will sell all of their Saurer Spz (APCs) and all Kürassier Jagdpanzers (many have already been sold), the Jaguar will be sold too, and many atg weapons, and AA weapons too. The Problem here is, that we (austria) right now have those armoured vehicles still in our garage, but don't really use them, they are being prepared for selling them all.

So as it stands now, maybe we have our Saurer, Jaguar and Kürassiers, BUT they are not anymore used by the troops.
The Kürassier never used the Tandem-HEAT Ammo, and it (probably) never use it.
The equipment should be sold until the end of 2011, so maybe the OOB could be changed, but its not really necesary until it actually happens.
But there needs to be a change to the austrian kürassier with its Tandem-HEAT Ammo, it is not used and so it should be changed in the OOB.

3. Actuality of Squads and formations:
Since 2004, our army is more standartized in following ways:
There is no difference between mot infantry and mech infantry in the squad formations anymore except the vehicles, what this means is simple explained with the following new formation system:

A Platoon consists now of:
3 Squads containing 7 soldiers with a MG74 Troop(2soldiers) and PAR66 Troop(2 Soldiers) and 1 Rifle Grenade launcher.
1 Support squad containing: 2xMG74 Troops and 1x PAR66 Troop (6 Soldiers)
The HQ of the Platoon is now only consisting of the Platoon
Each of the Squads have a vehicle of their own (Uland,Pandur or Pinzgauer) The Platoon Leader is driving with the Support Squad in the same vehicle.
So a Platoon of the Austrian Army now ALLWAYS constists of 28 Soldiers disembarked.

3 Platoons still forming a company, but instead of a schwerer jäger zug (heavy infantry platoon) it now has a PAL-2000 Group with 2 PAL-2000 (Bill-56) and a Sniper Squad with 2 Sniper Troops.
Each Troop have a Pinzgauer as vehicle for them.

In game terms it should look like this:

Jaeger Squad (Unit):
Slot1: STG-77
Slot2: MG74
Slot3: PAR66
Slot4: Rilfe grenade

Support Squad (Unit):
Slot1: MG74
Slot2: MG74
Slot3: PAR66
Slot4: STG-77

PAL Trupp (PAL Unit):
Crew:3
Slot1: Bill-56/ir

SSch Trupp (Sniper Unit) :
Crew:2
Slot1: SSG 68/04
Slot2: P-80 (pistol P80 military version of Glock 17)

PAL Gruppe (Platoon Formation):
PAL Trupp
PAL Trupp
Pinzgauer 4x4
Pinzgauer 4x4

SSch Gruppe (Platoon Formation)
SSch Trupp
SSch Trupp
Pinzgauer 4x4
Pinzgauer 4x4

Ulan Jaeger Platoon (Platoon Formation):
ULAN
ULAN
ULAN
ULAN
Jaeger Squad
Jaeger Squad
Jaeger Squad
Support Squad

Ulan Jaeger Company:
Company HQ
ULAN Command
Ulan Jaeger Platoon
Ulan Jaeger Platoon
Ulan Jaeger Platoon
PAL Gruppe
SSch Gruppe

This would be the same of Pandur Jaeger Platoon/Company or simple Jaeger Platoon/Company (with Pinzgauers instead of Ulan/Pandur)

Btw.
I suggest to implement a Heavy sniper team with the Steyr HS .50 (its like the US Armys heavy sniper team with the M95/M82 Barett Anti Material Sniper Rifle)

And I would suggest to implement the Pinzgauer 4x4 Aufklärer (Scout/Recon Pinzgauer) in some of the next patches, here's a picture:


Last edited by ShadowAUT; March 11th, 2011 at 10:07 AM.. Reason: Pinzgauer Scout/Recon Suggestion added
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Old March 11th, 2011, 10:15 AM
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And I would suggest to implement the Pinzgauer 4x4 Aufklärer (Scout/Recon Pinzgauer) in some of the next patches, here's a picture:

LOL I never knew what a Pinzgauer 4x4 Aufklärer looked like; now it's forever locked away in the 'pictures' folder of my mind.



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Old March 11th, 2011, 10:18 AM

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*rofl* thats true, but seriously, you can hide them really good, they are really hard to spot.
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Default Re: Austrian OOB

Once again it's a BIT LATE to be presenting this just before a release
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. Austrian Jagdpanzer Kürassier have the Tandem-HEAT Ammo.
Really ?? Which unit would that be ??? There are no 105mm guns in the Austrian OOB with Tandem-HEAT Ammo

Maybe you need to wait for the next patch ?

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Old March 13th, 2011, 09:30 AM
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So as it stands now, maybe we have our Saurer, Jaguar and Kürassiers, BUT they are not anymore used by the troops.
And when they are all sold we will be happy to remove them. Until that time, no. Goverments change. If they are still in inventory they WOULD be used in the situations the game simulates

I still have NO IDEA where you see Kürassiers with tandom heat ammo in the official OOBs in any release I've checked so I think you have someone elses OOB in you game.

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