Norwegian OOB

Warnevada · #1 October 10th, 2015, 05:15 PM

In the artillery section, there are "Mortar Section" and "Mortar Sec(1)" which are identical, except for the name. There is another "Mortar Section" which consists of two teams and perhaps should be called a platoon.

Mobhack · #2 October 10th, 2015, 07:06 PM

There is a mortar section with 2 single mortar elements, and a mortar section with 1 mortar section element - which contains 2 tubes.

Personally I prefer the elements which combine the tubes, since they plot together and drop together, thus producing more concentrated effect on target. And also, they reflect the use of a mortar section - which would have only 1 mortar board on which to plot fires with, and one radio.

The 2 single mortars allows the section to split fires - which could not be done easily, as you would need to do 2 sets of calculations on the one mortar board, and also probably try to differentiate between the spotting calls from 2 separate observers, using the same frequency since the mortar section would in reality only have the 1 radio. Also, in SP they will fall separately and need individual adjustment if you want the 2 tubes to hit the same area (the normal case) rather than drifting about all over. Since SP considers each artillery piece a "fire unit", you can also have one of the tubes being off the radio net when the other is available.

The 2-tube (or 3 tube) mortar element solves all those problems.

The single tube element is sometimes handy to put in a small jeep, but otherwise is a pain.

Warnevada · #3 October 12th, 2015, 02:03 PM

Very interesting information, but my point was one of these should be removed; my candidate: "Mortar Sec(1)"

Mobhack · #4 October 12th, 2015, 03:51 PM

The OOB designer probably provided these to provide both types of mortar section as a player choice. None will be removed, since there is no need (e.g. crowded OOB, see the MBT Russians, where the multiple mortar element and formations were removed to make some free space).

Plus removing one formation, may mean removing the unit type it points to. And that then leads onto a check of all existing campaigns and scenarios that might use it, and then anyone with an ongoing campaign may suddenly find he has units that behave strangely after applying an update patch. So we do not casually remove things at a whim.

DRG · #5 October 12th, 2015, 05:21 PM

It's two ways to build a mortar unit and will remain as it is. They are NOT "identical".

If you don't like the one way, use the other.

Don

Warnevada · #6 October 13th, 2015, 01:25 PM

I completely agree with having two choices, however there are THREE entries, two of which are identical.

DRG · #7 October 14th, 2015, 06:32 AM

Not quite identical, their service dates are different but overlap. Formations 23 and 28.

On the list for winter

Pibwl · #8 October 16th, 2015, 04:15 PM

Minor observations:

113 75mm AT-Gun - German OOb uses 2125 icon for Pak 40 (apart from unit 084, which could be unified with others)

116,137 105mm Howitzer - the picture doesn't seem to be leFH 16

118 105mm Howitzer - proper icon for leFH18 is two-tail 2128 (German OOB)

158 Carrier HMG - dedicated photo of HMG carrier is 30122

161 GMC - precisely GMC C15TA. Better icon might be 161 from Canadian OOB.

270 Curtiss Hawk 75 - photo is not Norwegian (Finnish?), might be eg.
http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...0f474551/l.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Y...awk_ref_03.jpg