The unbeatable combination is it out there?

[Gozra]

I have a friend who is fighting for the first time against the Talisman coupled with the ablity to match or out produce him. ( We are talking Race characteristics) He feels that the combination is un-beatable. At this moment I would reluctantly aggree with him. Any comments out there?

[Fyron]

Try using Wave-Motion Guns (under High Energy Discharge Weapons). Set your ships to point-blank, so that they will close in as much as they can. Get better movement rates than the enemy.

[Grandpa Kim]

Fyron is right. Here are some more ideas:

The basics:
Ship and fleet training-- you gotta be able to hit him.
Fastest possible ships-- you gotta get to him before you are destroyed
Point Blank-- he may hit 10/10, but if you can hit 9/10....
These are absolutely necessary!

Other ideas
Ripper Beams-- big bang for the kt.
Strip out all armor and shields and go guns, guns, guns!-- untried by me, but sounds promising
Attack his planets-- but don't sit around, keep moving
Null Space as a secondary weapon-- maybe you hit the talisman first shot
Organic race and use that armor!-- so he hits, you just regenerate

Just my ideas, I'll bet there are hundreds more out there.

Kim

[Pax]

Originally posted by Gozra:
I have a friend who is fighting for the first time against the Talisman coupled with the ablity to match or out produce him. ( We are talking Race characteristics) He feels that the combination is un-beatable. At this moment I would reluctantly aggree with him. Any comments out there?

Fighters.

Lots and lots of durable fighters; unless he mounts pure PDC, he can't off them very quickly, even with PDC that ALWAYS hit (Talisman), and I'm not sure the Talisman affects PDCs.

Ditto for seekers, if need be.

[Gozra]

Ok Good Ideas, but When you look over the choices for race characteristics you think something sounds real neat or it makes perfect sense to use. For instance pushing your research ablity way up is a really good thing. It is until you reach the end game and you have researched everything and you wish you had a little bit more on your race's ship ablity to attack.
Production is a key element and if your opponet can get ahead and increase his production capablity you are doomed.
As time and experience in games go on I find that I have fewer and fewer choices If I want to have a chance to win the game.
The Talisman coupled with good production is really hard to stop. Which means I need my race to be the same if I am to have an equal chance to win the game.

[Gozra]

Level 5 PDC's 2 on each ship and a few LC's as anti-fighter ships will take care of the fighter swarms. Sorry, but that is too easy to counter.

[Fyron]

Knock the Religous enemy out before they can get Talismans.

[Skulky]

When you play games like MFKT where everyone has everything then it changes stuff up a bit, however, part of the religious disadvantage is they dont' get any good stuff until the talisman. and also for a heavy research race, the idea is you are superior and have won, or are in a really good position to do so when you end. also, as you see the end in sight, scrap one or more research facilites on your planets that are all research and put in value improvement plants there or nature shrines for the religious player. this way the conVersion will go easier. You coudl even consider changing over some earlier.

[ August 22, 2002, 05:06: Message edited by: Skulky ]

[Baron Munchausen]

We had a cry for help on these Boards from someone else some months ago. His problem was an enemy using Crystalline Technology and Phased Energy Weapons in combination. That's ARMOR skipping weapons combined with SHIELD skipping weapons. Nasty. Since the game is already in progress you can't try it out this time around. But you could research say, the Null Space Cannon and the Phased Polaron Beam if phased shields aren't to close to being developed. That would also be a nasty combination. Since he has the talisman you can skip ECM and other 'defensive' techs (like stealth armor) in favor of piling up as much shield and armor points as possible.

The classic counter to the Talisman though, is long-ranged weapons. Especially seekers. He can't hit you if you aren't in range.

[Jmenschenfresser]

Has anyone ever tried a massive fighter/missle combo attack? I think if you made really fast fighters, they could engage the enemy before your ships close enough to fire missles. Usually the only way to beat PDC is to flood it, and that's hard to do with either or.

Dunno.