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If this is a recent change, then maybe. AFAIK the only requirement is Luck +3, and order has nothing to do with it. I've had this several times, and I never go with maxed out order and luck. 
			
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Odd, it was stated as such in another thread.  After I learned of the scale restrictions on events, I started paying much closer attention.  I can't say about previously, but since I learned that, I've only seen that event in a massive scales build, and otherwise the largest I ever seem to get is the 1500g event.  
			
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 3000g, "huge amount" of fire gems and a magic item. 
You get this event with T3/L3. (if you're lucky   )  
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				3000g, "huge amount" of fire gems and a magic item. 
You get this event with T3/L3. (if you're lucky   )  
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 Yes, I've gotten this one more than once. It only happens when playing with luck +3, but order has nothing to do with it. I've never had Luck +3 without having disorder as well (not always -3).  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Taking Luck/Turmoil for money is silly. 
 
Luck/Turmoil is great if you have a big need for gems and gem diversity (aka, Tien Chi).  All the free gem events give you a head start into remote site searching, and later on, a ton of extra gems for alchemy/summons.  I was receiving i suspect close to 10-15 gems a turn in mp near the end of the game taking Luck/Turmoil. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Just to confirm that there is no hard cap of 3 events... I just had a turn with 4 good events out of 23 total provinces.  None of the events were in provinces I captured that turn. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				Taking Luck/Turmoil for money is silly. 
 
Luck/Turmoil is great if you have a big need for gems and gem diversity (aka, Tien Chi).  All the free gem events give you a head start into remote site searching, and later on, a ton of extra gems for alchemy/summons.  I was receiving i suspect close to 10-15 gems a turn in mp near the end of the game taking Luck/Turmoil. 
			
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It's true.  I dislike how some people want to froth at the mouth arguing that Order/Misf is better gold than Turmoil/Luck.  Well, no kidding.  But apparently they don't like extra gems, free magic items, free castles, or national heroes (which for some nations are QUITE good).  Also no one factors in the obligatory (albeit relatively minor, in time) investment in PD that is more necessary with Misf.  20 PD = 210g per province.  No fortune, but if you have 30 provinces, that's over 6000g dropped into keeping you safe from barbarians.    
By the by, in a game with Caelum using 3O/3L/3M, I've been blessed with 2 free castles in the first 20 turns.  Kinda nifty, worth keeping unless they're in the WORST possible locations. (ie- screw up production in your capital or other key fort)  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
			
			
			
			
				 
			
			
			
			
            
			
			
				
			
			
			
		 
		
	
	
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		Sometimes the free magic items are really nice and otherwise expensive. I´ve gotten Banners of the Northern Star at times, and other high level goodies. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		I've seen Elixer of Life, Ribcage, Wraithcrown, etc. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Its one of the reason that the die-hard competitive MPers would like to see a game option to control random events. Some of them can have a very large impact on the game. An option to turn down the random events would allow games to be decided more by whose strategy and playing is better. 
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				Just to confirm that there is no hard cap of 3 events... I just had a turn with 4 good events out of 23 total provinces.  None of the events were in provinces I captured that turn. 
			
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 hi fungal.  if you could include the trn file, we could see which events are shown.
 
It is also possible that a 4th event occur in the same province as the 3rd;  there's still a cap, but there are a couple ways this can be exceeded.  the basic argument is not affected though: that luck does not scale really beyond 3/turn for large empires, and hence has a diminishing return. Your huge empire will almost always get 3 events max.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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