Gamey Tactics and Bug Exploits Thread - Page 5

Fyron · #41 July 28th, 2003, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
Actually that might be the best place for it.

Geoschmo

Nope. I doubt most people read it very often. I know I certainly do not read it very often. Being on the game creation place at PBW is THE BEST place for this to be. It can be in both places, sure. But, it is still imperative that it be on the PBW site.

Didn't mean to have two Posts... oh well... not as if my post count is really affected by it...

1. Trading with AIs.
2. Building multiple training facilities on each planet in a sector (moons) to multiply the training rate.
3. Retroseries building.
4. Surrendering to allies to merge empires together.
5. Surrendering to an ally or other 3rd party to keep what is left of your empire from going to the enemy.
6. Surrendering your empire when you just want to leave the game.
7. Surrendering to the empire attacking you.
8. Intelligence projects.
9. Gifting/trading planets.
10. Gifting a planet for the primary purpose of keeping an another player alive.
11. Tech sharing.
12. Gifting/trading population.
13. Gifting/trading colony techs.
14. Min/maxing empire setup.
15. Allies laying mines in the same sector to get more than 100 mines in it.
16. Turtling yourself into a corner using Warp Point closers and System Gravitational Shields.
17. Declaring war on an ally and attacking at the same turn.
18. Moving ships over enemy planets and then declaring war to bypass mine fields.
19. Email diplomacy between players when races haven't met in the game yet.
20. Gifting/trading ships.
21. Mothballing ships to get around the maximum ship limits.
22. Gifting ships to an ally to get around the maximum ship limits.
23. Allied victory or Last Man Standing victory conditions must be chosen and declared, or there will usually be some friction towards the end of the game.

[ July 28, 2003, 06:17: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

geoschmo · #42 July 28th, 2003, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

quote:
Originally posted by geoschmo:
Actually that might be the best place for it.

Geoschmo

Nope. I doubt most people read it very often. I know I certainly do not read it very often. Being on the game creation place at PBW is THE BEST place for this to be. It can be in both places, sure. But, it is still imperative that it be on the PBW site.

I wasn't really clear on what I meant there. I still intend to update the game creation page to remind owners to consider these points. But per our conversation Last night I never intended to include the whole list in the game setup script. I was just going to briefly mention it and include a link to a page with the complete updated list. As far as where to put the updated list I the Encyclopedia Malfadorica is ideal because then the community can contribute to keeping it updated.

Geoschmo

Asmala · #43 July 28th, 2003, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

21. Mothballing ships to get around the maximum ship limits.

Mothballing ships won't get you over the maximum limit.

Stone Mill · #44 July 28th, 2003, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted:

15. Allies laying mines in the same sector to get more than 100 mines in it.

I thought this was inconsequential; first one empires mines are swept, then the next. All you need is 100 minesweeping capability.

spoon · #45 July 28th, 2003, 05:41 PM

The Talisman
Bezerker

Arkcon · #46 July 28th, 2003, 05:42 PM

Oh heck, while we're attempting a cannonical list :

16 and one half: Missing several turns without explanation

[ July 28, 2003, 16:47: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

Slick · #47 July 28th, 2003, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Stone Mill:

quote:
Originally posted:

15. Allies laying mines in the same sector to get more than 100 mines in it.

I thought this was inconsequential; first one empires mines are swept, then the next. All you need is 100 minesweeping capability.

Sorry, but no sir. I would provide witnesses, but all of them are in dead fleets. The (default) limit is 100 mines per sector per empire. This means that the maximum number of mines in a sector is 100 * (No. of players). Note that 2 players must have a peace treaty in order to co-mine a sector. They still follow the rule of only enemy mines "attack" your ships. But if you don't have a peace treaty with the owners of those mines, you could potentially face 100 * (No. of players -1) mines in a sector. So 100 minesweeping capability will NOT protect you against this tactic. I am not sure on the order of sweeping in this case. Probably like the default: first laid = first swept.

On the subject of "gamey", I think this is perfectly legitimate gameplay.

Slick.

[ July 28, 2003, 16:47: Message edited by: Slick ]

Fyron · #48 July 28th, 2003, 06:52 PM

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On the subject of "gamey", I think this is perfectly legitimate gameplay.

Again, please post nothing of this sort in this thread. It does not matter if you think a particular item is gamey or not. Some people do, so it goes on the list.

Quote:

Originally posted by Asmala:

quote:
Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

21. Mothballing ships to get around the maximum ship limits.

Mothballing ships won't get you over the maximum limit.

Yes it will. Mothballed ships do not count towards your ship total.

[ July 28, 2003, 17:53: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

geoschmo · #49 July 28th, 2003, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

quote:
Originally posted by Asmala:

quote:
Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

21. Mothballing ships to get around the maximum ship limits.

Mothballing ships won't get you over the maximum limit.
Yes it will. Mothballed ships do not count towards your ship total.

Asmala is correct here. I explained this the Last time it came up but you might have missed it. It was towards the end of the conversation.

The mothballed ships don't show up in the score screen, but they do show up in the ships screen and they will stop you from building new ships and getting over the ship limit.

Geoschmo

[ July 28, 2003, 17:56: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Fyron · #50 July 28th, 2003, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spoon:
The Talisman
Bezerker

These don't really fit the role of gamey tactics. Though technically, Berzerkers falls under the min/maxing Category, and Talismans does sort of too.

Geo:
Seems I was mislead in a game I was hosting with a 100 ship limit. Oh well.

1. Trading with AIs.
2. Building multiple training facilities on each planet in a sector (moons) to multiply the training rate.
3. Retroseries building.
4. Surrendering to allies to merge empires together.
5. Surrendering to an ally or other 3rd party to keep what is left of your empire from going to the enemy.
6. Surrendering your empire when you just want to leave the game.
7. Surrendering to the empire attacking you.
8. Intelligence projects.
9. Gifting/trading planets.
10. Gifting a planet for the primary purpose of keeping an another player alive.
11. Tech sharing.
12. Gifting/trading population.
13. Gifting/trading colony techs.
14. Min/maxing empire setup.
15. Allies laying mines in the same sector to get more than 100 mines in it.
16. Turtling yourself into a corner using Warp Point closers and System Gravitational Shields.
17. Declaring war on an ally and attacking at the same turn.
18. Moving ships over enemy planets and then declaring war to bypass mine fields.
19. Email diplomacy between players when races haven't met in the game yet.
20. Gifting/trading ships.
21. Gifting ships to an ally to get around the maximum ship limits.
22. Allied victory or Last Man Standing victory conditions must be chosen and declared, or there will usually be some friction towards the end of the game.

[ July 28, 2003, 18:09: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]