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[Loser]

Sure.

[geoschmo]

JurijD, not sure where the sarcasm towards Loser is coming from, but it's really not warranted or constructive for the situation. He was simply expressing a completely valid question about a game rule that was vague at best. You will learn if you host very many games that these house rules are the #1 source of confusion and conflict among players. It's very easy to have a game ruined over what can seem to be simple misunderstandings. Intentionally confusing the issue by placing "joke" or bogus rules is just asking for trouble. Everyone likes a joke, but make sure everyone knows it's a joke. You will regret it in the long run if you don't.

Not trying to sound like I am coming down on you, cause I am not. Just trying to share a little experience to help you avoid a bad situation.

Geoschmo

[JurijD]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
JurijD, not sure where the sarcasm towards Loser is coming from, but it's really not warranted or constructive for the situation. He was simply expressing a completely valid question about a game rule that was vague at best. You will learn if you host very many games that these house rules are the #1 source of confusion and conflict among players. It's very easy to have a game ruined over what can seem to be simple misunderstandings. Intentionally confusing the issue by placing "joke" or bogus rules is just asking for trouble. Everyone likes a joke, but make sure everyone knows it's a joke. You will regret it in the long run if you don't.

Not trying to sound like I am coming down on you, cause I am not. Just trying to share a little experience to help you avoid a bad situation.

Geoschmo

Sarcasm??? Where ... eee, get it off me!!! Phew, glad u told me that was there, I don't like sarcasm on me, it always give me a rash.

hehe excuse me but... well I can't believe that anyone over 5 years would confuse that joke with a rule And anyone who does... well I can't say he or she is welcome to join the game because if you can't take a joke you're too geeky for this game I think that Loser is just a fan of George W. and was hurt by my remark You people take this game too seriously....

And why didn't u trip over the : Don't play SE IV and drive. The consequences can be dire. "RULE"

You're coming down on me? Where? How? Do I need to take an aspirin before u do ? Do you have some kind of anti-grav device?

P.S.: Thanks for the help, really don't need any in that area. Oh and I really hope this is the end of this "subject" because this discussion is as silly as anything on FOX.

[ December 11, 2003, 11:37: Message edited by: JurijD ]

[Roanon]

Originally posted by JurijD:
You people take this game too seriously....

They probably take George W. and his "Axis of Evil" stuff too seriously - they probably don't understand that he and his like remarks are pure jokes here in Europe. After all, they will probably vote for him (again)... what do you expect...

[geoschmo]

JurijD and Roanon, I think you both are misunderstanding me completely. Actually, I can't speak for Loser, but the comment about GW is not at all what confused me. I did consider that part of the sentance to be a joke and was not in the least offended by it. I have a much thicker skin then that, as most reasonable people do. Anyway, even if taken offensively (which I did not do) your comment wasn't directed at me personally, but at the Prez. Americans have a long history of making fun of our leaders.

The question in my mind was whether you were suggesting an actual concrete house rule for the game in a joking manner. "Noone becomes a terrorist and forms an "Axis of Evil" because he lost his/her home system to a Star destroyer." read in that context could mean any number of things.

Does the rule mean if someone takes out my homesystem I can't retaliate? I can't make an alliance if neccesary and go after the empire that blew up my sun? That seems to me a preposterous rule, but it also seems that is what you are suggesting. That is the reason that you needed to clarify the rule, not because of your offhanded tease at GW.

Originally posted by JurijD:
And why didn't u trip over the : Don't play SE IV and drive. The consequences can be dire. "RULE"

Beacuse that is more obviously intended to be purely a joke, and it doesn't relate at all to behavior in the game which is the only thing that is the perogative of a game owner anyway. You could just as likely say, "No eating crackers while playing" and noone would take it seriously because it's none of your business what we eat while playing, and how would you know if we did anyway? The other rule is more like something that would be your business as the game owner, and something close enough to legitimate rules people have suggested in the past that it seemed possible you did intend for it to be taken seriously, in substance if not in presentation.

Geoschmo

[ December 11, 2003, 13:25: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[JurijD]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
JurijD and Roanon, I think you both are misunderstanding me completely. Actually, I can't speak for Loser, but the comment about GW is not at all what confused me. I did consider that part of the sentance to be a joke and was not in the least offended by it. I have a much thicker skin then that, as most reasonable people do. Anyway, even if taken offensively (which I did not do) your comment wasn't directed at me personally, but at the Prez. Americans have a long history of making fun of our leaders.

The question in my mind was whether you were suggesting an actual concrete house rule for the game in a joking manner. "Noone becomes a terrorist and forms an "Axis of Evil" because he lost his/her home system to a Star destroyer." read in that context could mean any number of things.

Does the rule mean if someone takes out my homesystem I can't retaliate? I can't make an alliance if neccesary and go after the empire that blew up my sun? That seems to me a preposterous rule, but it also seems that is what you are suggesting. That is the reason that you needed to clarify the rule, not because of your offhanded tease at GW.

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Originally posted by JurijD:
And why didn't u trip over the : Don't play SE IV and drive. The consequences can be dire. "RULE"

Beacuse that is more obviously intended to be purely a joke, and it doesn't relate at all to behavior in the game which is the only thing that is the perogative of a game owner anyway. You could just as likely say, "No eating crackers while playing" and noone would take it seriously because it's none of your business what we eat while playing, and how would you know if we did anyway? The other rule is more like something that would be your business as the game owner, and something close enough to legitimate rules people have suggested in the past that it seemed possible you did intend for it to be taken seriously, in substance if not in presentation.

Geoschmo

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Only one thing Geoschmo ... consider switching to decaff. Bcause someone that WASTES so much time writing about a JOKE someone made on some obscure board in a galaxy far far away, really has too much time on his hands.

[Loser]

Uh oh, looks like a derail.

I could tell there was some joke there, sure, but I thought you might have some rule behind it. It was a little too long and complicated, it seemed, to be simply a political jab. So I did what any reasonable person would do, I checked. The driving one was pretty good, though.

Second, if I had my way George W. Bush would never have been on the Republican nominee for president. While I respect the man and the office, and agree with many of his goals, the means by which he has reached some of these ends have been very disappointing. And then there are the speeches.... What I wouldn't give for another Douglas MacArthur, or even a Reagan or Nixon behind the podium, speaking in a fashion more fitting the leader of the free world.

But I voted for him, in fact I registered as a Democrat so I could vote against Gore twice. I have a grudge against Gore for his terrible treatment of the hackish culture (Clipper Chip, Steve Jackson Games, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."), for his populist attitudes, and for his censor-happy wife.

In fact, if nothing catastrophic happens in the next year, Bush is likely to be re-elected, but only because the only other party people take seriously isn't offering any decent alternatives. The current front-runner, Dean, has been building his reputation as a Bush-Hater since he started. This is going to do a great job of swaying loyal Democrats, which he needs to get the nomination, but will alienate that oh-so-important undecided 20% that the Democrats need to secure the presidency. Add on top of it all that he is also a populist, so I can tell you I won't be voting for him either.

So yeah, four more years of Bush. But it's the fault of the Democrats as much as it's the fault of the Republicans.

Just to let you know, I'm Independent, having un-registered from the Democratic party after voting in their Primary. I give my loyalty to neither of these two behemoths, and would rabidly support the Libertarians if they could ever get their act together and offer a platform acceptable to the general public.

And that will be it. Not gonna post in this thread again. Done enough damamge. Ee-yup.