StarFire Mod v-Beta 2

[Dan Kochheiser]

Originally posted by President Elect Shang:
I want to start all players at HTL zero (IND2) as opposed HTL1, I will adjust the Commercial Engine to become a HTL zero (IND2) system. This is a house rule that I played with and it always worked out pretty good. All other systems for building ships exist at the HTL zero (IND2) stage and I would like to keep this house rule in the Mod.

Thoughts, Ya, Na?

As a house rule, that is interesting, but for Starfire, this would make IND-2 races more useful than they are in cannon.

I'd prefer that the Ic and I stay at HT-1.

Also, is Alkelda Tech going to be used?

[DemoMonkey]

Shang

Hope you feel better soon.

Yep, I know my idea doesn't work EXACTLY the same way. But ask yourself the tough question - would you rather have something that has the same game effect as cwp's (ie, the potential for unexpected attacks and rude surprises) even if it's not identical, or have nothing? Which is worse, a game where cwp's don't operate exactly as they do in the source material, or a game without them entirely? Which is more heretical?

"If I moded (sic) a component that allowed them to be created that would effectively eliminate WP defenses "

Ummm, isn't that exactly what makes cwp's so nasty in the first place?

And as for not "making" them, look at it this way. When you use one of the suggested components, you are NOT making a new warp point. You are "finding" the open end of the warpline that's already there.

[President_Elect_Shang]

Right Dan, I follow just what you are saying. I did not intend to include this house rule in the Mod however it struck me that unlike SF in SE4G IND-2 would not be present. I would have to modify them in as neutrals, even then unlike the rules they would be able to develop HTL1 fairly quickly. I could not mod the AI non-neutrals in as IND2 or that would give the human players far too much of a head start. My point for suggesting the change is that I really couldn’t see any practical application for IND2 at all. I feel that a change would be best, if we do not give HTL Zero (IND2) an engine of some sort than I feel we should at least combine all HTL Zero (IND2) and HTL1 systems into a single unit.

Feedback?

Forgot to address your question. No AD at this time; if this Mod works out I may look into adding it at a later point as an update.

[ January 30, 2004, 17:39: Message edited by: President Elect Shang ]

[President_Elect_Shang]

I also forgot to include that with the change to HTL Zero (IND2) I will need to adjust the tech level at which ships are developed. My Suggestion is:

Ships: EX/ES/CT
Bases: BS0/BS1
Freighters: FT0/FT1/FT2

Move down to HTL Zero (IND2), or we can do the alternative (stated below) and combine IND2 and HTL1.

[Fyron]

You could always just use racial traits to control what sort of building each race can do, based on whatever those options mean.

[President_Elect_Shang]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
You could always just use racial traits to control what sort of building each race can do, based on whatever those options mean.

Good suggestion but it does not apply here.

[ January 30, 2004, 18:32: Message edited by: President Elect Shang ]

[Dan Kochheiser]

Originally posted by President Elect Shang:
Right Dan, I follow just what you are saying. I did not intend to include this house rule in the Mod however it struck me that unlike SF in SE4G IND-2 would not be present. I would have to modify them in as neutrals, even then unlike the rules they would be able to develop HTL1 fairly quickly. I could not mod the AI non-neutrals in as IND2 or that would give the human players far too much of a head start. My point for suggesting the change is that I really couldn’t see any practical application for IND2 at all. I feel that a change would be best, if we do not give HTL Zero (IND2) an engine of some sort than I feel we should at least combine all HTL Zero (IND2) and HTL1 systems into a single unit.

Feedback?

If Ind2 doesn't have a real impact in the mod, does Ind1 and PreInd?
Iff they don't you might just combine them all into HTL-1. Most players prefer facing these techs or higher anyways, because they are finally a threat.