Poll #2. [Try out the demo, and vote after that!]

[MythicalMino]

you know....if you guys don't want to listen and look at reality...fine....after the devs have made it clear in many places, that the game is primarily a MP game...keep on trying to push MP out of the picture....whatever...

[ October 27, 2003, 21:55: Message edited by: cpbeller ]

[DominionsFan]

Originally posted by cpbeller:
you know....if you guys don't want to listen and look at reality...fine....after the devs have made it clear in many places, that the game is primarily a MP game...keep on trying to push MP out of the picture....whatever...

Hey, I think you missed something. I think its nm that Dominions I. was made for MP mainly. Thx. to Shrapnel Dominions II. have LOT LOT LOT more fans than Dominions I.! LOT more fans = LOT more SP fans.
Even if we would have a community with 50% SP and 50% MP fans, the devs must please both of these Groups. [I think that the SP community is lot bigger btw.]
I think the MP part is really cool, but the SP AI must be lot better, so the SP fans will be happy than.

[DominionsFan]

Hey cpbeller I checked out that IRC room a few days ago, and ~10 people were there. You call that big?

[MythicalMino]

well, you know, i was in there earlier, and there was about 20 ppl....different times, different amounts of ppl....yesterday I came onto these forums, it only showed 3 ppl recently visited...does that mean that nobody ever comes here?????

And, I agree, the AI does need to be upgraded if it is weak...I am not saying it doesn't need to be....my point is this...AGAIN...

Why do the ppl that like SP think that they should own the stock and dismember the MP...just because they think there are more ppl that plays it SP? When really, it is only about 4 or 5 that keeps bringing the notion that sooooooo many ppl want only SP....

Read my Posts...that is what I am saying....also, if you read my Posts...I am also saying I am mostly a SP type gamer...I am all for a more robust SP game...but I am not going to DEMAND things from the developers when I KNOW that Dominions is more a MP game....

Case Closed...agree/disagree...I couldn't care less

[Windreaper]

Originally posted by cpbeller:

Like I said before, go to #dominions on irc, ask them what they play...SP or MP....They will tell you.

I don't care if they don't post here or not. I don't care if they are in a MP chat room, There are many ppl that prefer MP.

Ok. Someone mentioned that the channel #dominions
was very quiet. That was mainly because everyone
was waiting dom2 and thus no1 played any games
or such (if you get my meaning). I've been a
#dominions regular since dom1 came out and have
taken part both in TCP/IP and PBEM MP games. After
learning the basics in SP mode I really haven't
touched SP much except to test some new pretender
designs or such.

I think that I can pretty much speak for the
finnish Dominions community: "Yes, we prefer dom
MP because there's no way a computer can be as
sneaky as another human being. Besides, winning
against a computer doesn't compare to utterly
crushing the pitiful nation of your fellow human
opponent".

I've taken part in maybe two or three
"international" PBEM games and taken part in the
usenet conversation. I also wrote the rather longish Pangaea guide for dom1 (with my real name, Mikko Heikkilä). Btw, the most recent Version is up at sunray's site, one at dominions.tk is pretty much outdated.

So you're pretty much right in saying that most
of the Dominions community isn't posting here
as it is (didn't see any Posts from "legends"
like Gandalf Parker - otoh if he's posted here then I'm sorry because I missed it). I hope that the situation will change once people get used to the demo.

EDIT: damn, got to learn to post properly in this board, the edits got sort of messy

[ October 28, 2003, 00:08: Message edited by: Windreaper ]

[st.patrik]

Breaking away from this rather pointless discussion about SP/MP...

I was surprised by the AI; I thought it would have been improved significantly since Dom I. However it seems somewhat similar (albeit with not particularly extensive testing) - maybe just avoiding the obvious mistakes of the AI in Dom I? I expected it to be much better, from some beta-testers comments etc. OTOH, I think it's serviceable enough. I did get an interesting message from Abysia in the test game I was playing: "we will burn you to the ground" - and this before actually having any conflict with them. Perhaps a declaration of war?

...now back to the MP/SP discussion: I can't quite figure out what's being argued about here. The best I can figure is that some of you are saying that the game ought to be oriented more toward SP players, and that others are saying that it ought to be more oriented to MP players. Silly statement, either way: there is no "ought" here. There is what each individual wants, there is even what the majority of individuals want, there is what the developers want. You all seem to think that if the majority of indviduals want it one way, it ought to be that way. That is illogical. Maybe you could legitimately say that doing what the majority want will sell more games , and so be more lucrative for the devs, but perhaps making the game the way they like it is more important to them than lucrative sales. That would be ok I think.

So stop this foolishness about counting who has the most supporters on his side - it is completely irrelevant where the majority of public opinion lies. It's clear that there are a lot of supporters of both, anyway.

[MStavros]

IW has already lost a customer. Me. I am playing mostly SP in all games. Psitticine posted something in the past, that the Doms II. AI will be lot better than the Doms I. AI.

I have no idea, that why did he posted that, but he lied I guess?? I am not sure, but I am sure in one thing.

The Dominions 2. AI SUCKS with big letters. It is one of the worst AIs, what I ever seen in any strategy games.
I won't order this game, until some major AI tweaks will be done. I can live without Dominions II. so no hard feelings.


A little addition for this singleplayer - multiplayer "war": cpbeller you should know, that a forum is a good mirror of a gaming community.
Example: If 3000-4000 Users are posting on a board, that means that the game sold a few hundred thousand copies. If 30-40 people are posting, that means that the community is very small, propably a few thousand people are playing with that game. This is true about the SP,MP part as well. If the majority here are SPers, more than likely the whole community prefers the SP.
This is working like this, in any games.
Just becase some finnish fans made an IRC channel for MP games...that means nothing.
Your post is full with ignorant content, cpbeller. No offense.
I know lot more about these things, trust me.

I think the SP fans are annoyed, because the AI sucks. If the devs wanted to sell a SP,MP game. they should make a decent AI.
As someone said, the best would be to forget about the SP part, and make an MP game only, if they can't code AIs.
Right now we have a game with decent MP, and crap SP. No wonder that lot of fans are pissed, including me.
Think about this, before you will start flaming 'that this supposed to be a MP game'.
If this supposed to be a MP game, than why the hell is there an SP part at all? I must admit that the SP sucks right now, because of this dumb AI.

Hopefully these Posts won't scare away the SP fans from ordering the game, but this is the sad truth.

[ October 28, 2003, 13:06: Message edited by: MStavros ]