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Pocus · #1 November 2nd, 2003, 08:54 PM

what bother me a bit (well more than a bit) is now that blood magic is much more restricted to native blood nations, then SC will concentrate into these nations.

Whereas, as a worst case, you could at least try to counter/temper the influence of SC (which are mostly blood creatures) in doms I by starting blood magic yourself (I remember a pbem game where after 15 turns of efforts, starting from nothing, I produced one ice devil every two turns with a mystic which was empowered in blood magic).

But this was a very poor workaround. What would have been better is to reduce much further the nastiness of big creatures in Doms II (several mechanisms can be found to increase how a sole creature can be mobbed by several smaller ones). With more than 12-15 demons prince available, there is in practice no reduction in the numbers of SC dominions games will see, with the annoying change that they will be controlled by the 4/5 blood nations.

HJ · #2 November 2nd, 2003, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by Pocus:
what bother me a bit (well more than a bit) is now that blood magic is much more restricted to native blood nations

This is not a counterargument, but a honest question. Why do you claim this? Is it not just a case of empowering like with everything else? I probably haven't played enough to perceive it, but would be interested to know what's the basis of a claim.

[ November 02, 2003, 19:47: Message edited by: HJ ]

Zerger · #3 November 2nd, 2003, 10:24 PM

Pretender SCs are lame. Period. I have no probs with the late game SCs, but IMHO the early pretender SC is a cheap way to abuse the AI.
I am talkin about Doms I. but this will be a problem in Doms II. as well, as I've seen it in the demo.

--This is not a prob. in MP, since everyone will use it.--

[ November 02, 2003, 20:29: Message edited by: Zerger ]

Pocus · #4 November 2nd, 2003, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by HJ:

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Originally posted by Pocus:
what bother me a bit (well more than a bit) is now that blood magic is much more restricted to native blood nations

This is not a counterargument, but a honest question. Why do you claim this? Is it not just a case of empowering like with everything else? I probably haven't played enough to perceive it, but would be interested to know what's the basis of a claim.

because the blood harvest mechanism restrictions (no more non blood leaders harvesting blood slaves, which is a good thing) prevent non blood nations to develop a strong blood economy. So only native blood nations will be able to summon the strong devils and demons which make the chassis of 90% of super combattants.

Perhaps it is possible to have a small blood economy to run (20 slaves a turn, for the sake of giving a number) if you are no national mages with blood, but as Demons/Devils Princes can be banished like global enchants, you can be sure that the native blood nations will have no problems removing the single SC you were able to summon, if they are your enemy.

Theorically, I dont see a problem in that, it appears legit that Demons&Devils are controlled by blood nations. But these big creatures should either be toned to a reasonable level, or should have problems fighting alone (like Super Pretenders).

Zerger · #5 November 2nd, 2003, 10:40 PM

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But these big creatures should either be toned to a reasonable level, or should have problems fighting alone (like Super Pretenders).

Indeed, I agree with this.

HJ · #6 November 2nd, 2003, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by Pocus:
because the blood harvest mechanism restrictions (no more non blood leaders harvesting blood slaves, which is a good thing) prevent non blood nations to develop a strong blood economy.

I thought that all commanders have a blood hunt order? That's why I'm asking. Sure you can get more slaves if you start with blood, but you can also gather enough of them to empower a few mages even though you don't start with blood. Are there some other restrictions I am not aware of? What are the restrictions exactly,a nd how are they different from DomI?

[ November 02, 2003, 20:58: Message edited by: HJ ]

Sammual · #7 November 3rd, 2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by HJ:

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Originally posted by Pocus:
because the blood harvest mechanism restrictions (no more non blood leaders harvesting blood slaves, which is a good thing) prevent non blood nations to develop a strong blood economy.

I thought that all commanders have a blood hunt order? That's why I'm asking. Sure you can get more slaves if you start with blood, but you can also gather enough of them to empower a few mages even though you don't start with blood. Are there some other restrictions I am not aware of? What are the restrictions exactly,a nd how are they different from DomI?

It looks like the unreast hit for blood hunts is MUCH harder to knock down and I see less blood slaves as a result.

Sammual