Supercombattant pretenders....what about...

Pocus · #1 November 2nd, 2003, 10:43 AM

super combatting pretenders are only half (or a third, YMMV) of the problem. Your forget the numerous SC still available.

MStavros · #2 November 2nd, 2003, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by Pocus:
super combatting pretenders are only half (or a third, YMMV) of the problem. Your forget the numerous SC still available.

But it IS a problem, a big problem in fact. These pretender SCs are too cheap in early game.
Also you can abuse the AI with it.

[ November 02, 2003, 09:10: Message edited by: MStavros ]

apoger · #3 November 2nd, 2003, 11:19 AM

>These pretender SCs are too cheap in early game.

I know.

>Also you can abuse the AI with it.

Not just the AI, other players as well.

I would love to see the computer AI fielding super combatants when on the impossible level. That would make players lives a bit tougher.

apoger · #4 November 2nd, 2003, 11:27 AM

>Anyways I've made a topic about this, reply there if you want.

-Ok I'm here-

I like the idea of having mages/spells that would help repel super combatants.

For example, I never use my combatants versus a lizard province. They have lizard shaman that almost always "curse" my combatants.

This is perfect. If there were a few more ways that mages could potentially hurt a SC, players could use these spells for defense, plus the computer could scatter a few mages around in indy provinces to deter using SC to steam roll at the game start.

That way we can have the strategy of SC's, but also counters for it. If we force pretenders to stay at home or remove the SC abilities, it weakens the game by removing options. I like adding options rather than losing.

[ November 02, 2003, 09:28: Message edited by: apoger ]

DominionsFan · #5 November 2nd, 2003, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by MStavros:

quote:
Originally posted by Pocus:
super combatting pretenders are only half (or a third, YMMV) of the problem. Your forget the numerous SC still available.

But it IS a problem, a big problem in fact. These pretender SCs are too cheap in early game.
Also you can abuse the AI with it.

I agree with this.

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Originally posted by apoger:
If we force pretenders to stay at home or remove the SC abilities, it weakens the game by removing options. I like adding options rather than losing.

..but I agree with this too.

So what can we do??????? The AI cannot defend himself against these early pretender SCs...
Damn lot of things are screwed....the strat. AI, and now this...I am so pissed.

[ November 02, 2003, 11:55: Message edited by: DominionsFAN ]

MStavros · #6 November 3rd, 2003, 02:47 AM

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Originally posted by apoger:
>Anyways I've made a topic about this, reply there if you want.

-Ok I'm here-

I like the idea of having mages/spells that would help repel super combatants.

For example, I never use my combatants versus a lizard province. They have lizard shaman that almost always "curse" my combatants.

This is perfect. If there were a few more ways that mages could potentially hurt a SC, players could use these spells for defense, plus the computer could scatter a few mages around in indy provinces to deter using SC to steam roll at the game start.

That way we can have the strategy of SC's, but also counters for it. If we force pretenders to stay at home or remove the SC abilities, it weakens the game by removing options. I like adding options rather than losing.

Ok than how can you stop the pretender SC abuse?
MAYBE the players can defend against it, but the AI is screwed.

Wendigo · #7 November 2nd, 2003, 03:18 PM

[quote]Originally posted by MStavros:

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Originally posted by apoger:
This is perfect. If there were a few more ways that mages could potentially hurt a SC, players could use these spells for defense

They exist, It's just that you haven't found them yet.

Soul slay has seen its range increased. Paralyze is deadly now.
Try the new mind bLast, or those Mictlan spiders with their webbing & death attacks.

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Ok than how can you stop the pretender SC abuse?
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You kill them. Been there, done that in Dom I multiple times.

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MAYBE the players can defend against it, but the AI is screwed. [/QB]

The spell AI is actually pretty good. I had a couple of Behemonths & a commander with 2 lifelong contracts recently stoned & slowly hacked to pieces by the AI. Did you know that the contract doesn't work if the bearer cannot move?

Maybe you should try playing vs different AI nations that the ones you have faced until now.