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Stormbinder · #1 May 29th, 2004, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
If "mad castling" is a thing which the natural benefits of Man, Vanheim, and Pangaea (less bit Caelum) seem made to combat, then doesnt that put the whole subject into a Category where its not going to get touched? Any change which would improve the ability of Ulm or Marignon or Pythium against mad castling would lessen the benefits of playing or allying with the nations less affected by mad castling.

Could you elaborate on this please Gandalf? Not sure what you meant. Madcastling is a strategy that can be successfuly employed by any race. Although some races can benefit from it more than others (Miclan, Ermor, Caelum, R'lyeh, Vanheim, others), but anybody can benefit from it. (especaily considering the fact that you can have uber-VQ pretender with any race, which can multiply effect of madcastling). You can do it with several other pretenders as well, although with more risk to yourself.

The proposed change indirectly but surely will make "madcastling" less atractive (by helping *any* not-madcastling strategy). Therefore it will make madcastling less promiment, while at the same time helping any nation who will find itself dealing with die-hard madcastler.

I agree that it will probably help more nations who were the worst suited to deal with madcastling to begin with, giving them more of a fighting chance. But it'll benefit any race nevertheless as far as madcastling concern. So I don't really see here a serious problem.

Besides as I said it'll make the game more complicated (in a good way) by making raiding and counter-riding more intriguing (by adding additional choice of "burn temple" to the raiding commanders, and additional goal and things to consider when you are raiding, instead if just current "burn everything in sight and move on" tactic).

While I think that the first reason is more importent, I can appreciate how people who for some reason don't consider "madcastling" to be an serious issue in MP games, would still like this change for the additional choices it brings to the game.

[ May 30, 2004, 00:06: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Norfleet · #2 May 30th, 2004, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Fun Solution: He should be made (forced by gun if need be) a beta tester. If there is anyone who has the time and insight to find problems within the game it would be him.

Heh. I don't think I have enough blackmail info on Illwinter or Shrapnel to get in there. Ain't gonna happen.

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Question for Norfleet: What other strategy games have you played before Dom II. I am wondering if I have run into you on other Online strategy games - what was your alias on these games?

You wouldn't have: I'm not a huge fan of most popular RTSes, and tend to dislike hanging around their multiplayer communities in general, and most TBS games are fundamentally unsuited for multiplayer play.

Pirateiam · #3 May 30th, 2004, 02:17 AM

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You wouldn't have: I'm not a huge fan of most popular RTSes, and tend to dislike hanging around their multiplayer communities in general, and most TBS games are fundamentally unsuited for multiplayer play.

Actually I also do not care much for the typical RTS but there are a few with merit - Kohan, EU2, Hearts of Iron

Gandalf Parker · #4 May 30th, 2004, 02:32 AM

Its not just testing. Its being able to explain it. I think we see how well that goes on here.

There are very few english speaking beta testers for this game. It simplifies things for developers for whom english is a second language. Not a big deal I think, just simpler.

Of course it does tend to increase the amount of typos and syntax that we get to report with each patch.

Norfleet · #5 May 30th, 2004, 03:17 AM

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Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Actually I also do not care much for the typical RTS but there are a few with merit - Kohan, EU2, Hearts of Iron

HERETIC! BLASPHEMER! How could you forget to mention Total Annihilation?!?

Pirateiam · #6 May 30th, 2004, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Pirateiam:
Actually I also do not care much for the typical RTS but there are a few with merit - Kohan, EU2, Hearts of Iron

HERETIC! BLASPHEMER! How could you forget to mention Total Annihilation?!?

Yes if you know me I am definately a Heretic! I have never even tried Total Annihilation. Is it any good? What makes it different then the typical gather crap, build crap, rush attack mentality of the typical RTS?

Norfleet · #7 May 31st, 2004, 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by Pirateiam:
I have never even tried Total Annihilation. Is it any good? What makes it different then the typical gather crap, build crap, rush attack mentality of the typical RTS?

Because it has the best unit AI and anti-micromanagement in any RTS so far? For instance, planes can automatically patrol a patrol route, where they'll attack anyone that comes near, and after killing the target, return their patrol. You don't have to do a thing. Repair units can be set to wander your base, helping out with any construction tasks, and repairing any structures or units they happen across.

Finally, you have a D-Gun. You have to experience it for yourself. Get the game.