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Old May 28th, 2004, 12:40 AM
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Seems way overpowered. I'd use that spell to strip all the items off any enemy SC's, and to strip large armies of their Wine bags, leaving them starving. Even if the cost was made more in line with its power, stealing clams would be pretty low, priority-wise, because you would't be able to cast it enough to make a difference..

Also, the clam hoarder is likely far better equipped to spam this spell than his opponents would be, since he'd already have a good water gem income, and a bunch of water mages.

I'm not really an opponent of clams (within reason), but if you want a water-based ritual spell to combat clams, how about:
Salmonella- W7, 80 water gems- Global effect: Every clam holder has a 30% chance per clam per turn of getting diseased.
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Old May 28th, 2004, 12:43 AM

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You'll go to lose massed scouts ... point.
With fever fetish, you give it to scouts.
When scout has 1 hitpoint, remove it and give to a new scout.
2 x scout ...

This isn't very damage dealing ...
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Creative. but it doesnt feel very watery. more like an astral spell.

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I still like my simple, sense-making, clam fix:

All the clams in the game only generate a maximum number of astral pearls equal to the number of sea provinces on the map. If the world holds more clams than seas, then only certain random clams chosen each month, will get pearls, up to that number.

Self-balancing, and scales with the map.

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All the clams in the game only generate a maximum number of astral pearls equal to the number of sea provinces on the map. If the world holds more clams than seas, then only certain random clams chosen each month, will get pearls, up to that number.
Nice. Except that in the pros and cons list, one of the things listed as an pro was that it was one of the few things Atlantis had going for it.

It made me think though. What if only a water-mage could use it? Dont we have oher items like that? (the only thing that come to mind at the moment is the stupid crown that only Ermor can use but I keep getting from indies)
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Seems way overpowered.
It was written to be strong, yes. It needs to be less than a Clam if it is to control them, though.

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I'd use that spell to strip all the items off any enemy SC's,
Added bonus: It relieves SCs of their equipment, which really puts the hurt on SCs. I thought limiting SCs was also something on a wish list?

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and to strip large armies of their Wine bags, leaving them starving.
While more of an issue, this would make people break their armies down into smaller bites, something that I feel should be done anyway.

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Even if the cost was made more in line with its power, stealing clams would be pretty low, priority-wise, because you would't be able to cast it enough to make a difference..
Really? This spell costs half as much as a Clam, so I _should_ be able to cast this twice as much, if I have the mages to do it.

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Also, the clam hoarder is likely far better equipped to spam this spell than his opponents would be, since he'd already have a good water gem income, and a bunch of water mages.
Well, if he's stealing stuff, he isn't making Clams, now is he? That was rather the point of the exercise, wasn't it...?

Another option would be a Fire item-destroying Ritual (which would be quite useful).

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Creative. but it doesnt feel very watery. more like an astral spell.
Yes, I'm aware of that. Unfortunately, do we really WANT Astral to get more powerful? If you made this Astral, at any level, the game would devolve TOWARDS Clams even faster, IMO.

I originally thought of putting it in Air (Thieving Magpie, anyone?), but Water needs the boost much more than Air.

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