Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

[Wendigo]

Your Treelords have Nature magic, so I would sugest this:

Equip them with a 100FR item, and then script them to cast Elemental Fortitude. With the spell providing FR,LR & CR the AI will be less likely to ignore the scripting as it is doing with Resist Fire.

This should give you the 100% FR you are seeking.

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
You can stack two 50 resistance items for 100 resistance. A good example is an elemental armour and a sculuta volumnus.

But you miss the point, Graeme. If I am 50 in the hole, adding 100 only gets me to 50. I'm trying to get to 100% FR. I need to add 150% in fire resistance. My testing shows this can't be done with items alone.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
You can stack two 50 resistance items for 100 resistance. A good example is an elemental armour and a sculuta volumnus.

That's not the experience I had, where I tried to stack a firebrand with a charcoal shield in attempt to attain 100 resistance, which didn't affect anything. Are you sure this works? Unless this was changed in the recent patch, past experience says that this wouldn't work...

[ July 13, 2004, 07:56: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
You can get to fire immune from fire susceptible, but it takes more equipment slots than a Treelord has.

The stacking rules for item immunity is currently that no immunity of a given type and magnitude stacks with an immunity of identical type and magnitude: Thus, you can stack 100 FR with 50 FR for 150 FR, but you cannot stack 100 FR with another 100 FR, or 50 FR with another 50 FR.

As for spells, a unit refuses to cast spells for resistance if it currently has ANY resistance. Also, it does not appear to be the case that resistances from the same school of magic will stack with themselves: Instead, the best is used.

One thing you can try is maybe stacking "Phoenix Power" (50 FR, Fire) with "Resist Fire" (W+E Version). PP should raise resistance to neutral, which means that he should still be willing to cast resistance. [/QB]

These were very helpful suggestions, Norfleet! I appreciate your time.

Good point about the Treelord being limited by it's slots. I searched for a unit with full slots that was vulnerable to fire and found the Icaryd Champion.

The item theory may have been true in earlier Versions, but testing in 2.12 shows that the maximum you can improve any one resistance via items is +100% from baseline. I used a Icaryd Champion with -50% Fire Reisistance (50% Fire Susceptability) and gave him a Ring of Fire (100% FR) and a Dragon Helmet (50% FR). He gets only 50% Fire Resistance.

I also tested your theory out about different schools of magic perhaps offering the possibility of breaking the 100% cap, but alas, it was not to be. I tried multiple combinations of Pheonix Power, Resist Fire, Fire Resistance, Fire Shield and even Wendigo's suggestion about Elemental Fortitude. The way the game is set up, the maximum you can get from any combination of items and spells, regardless of school, is 100% above the baseline.

Anyone else have suggestions for work arounds?

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
That's not the experience I had, where I tried to stack a firebrand with a charcoal shield in attempt to attain 100 resistance, which didn't affect anything. Are you sure this works? Unless this was changed in the recent patch, past experience says that this wouldn't work...

Graeme is right about this. You can stack two 50%'s and get to 100%.

[Inigo Montoya]

I throw the challenge out there:

Can anyone propose how an Icaryd Champion might be equipped, empowered, and then scripted so he ends up with 100% Fire Resistance?

If someone can come up with a solution that works in Version 2.12, I will crown them

M A S T E R O F T H E G A M E ! ! !

[Norfleet]

It would appear that this has been changed, then, since I very clearly remember ending up with 150 FR through the Charcoal shield + Fire Ring combo. It no longer goes past 100? That would suggest that it's now impossible.