The Vine Ogre

Graeme Dice · #1 February 27th, 2005, 11:19 PM

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FrankTrollman said:
I don't see how that follows at all. 200 Vine Ogres is just 10 Crones with hats working for 10 turns.

That's a huge number of both gems and mage time, for very little actual benefit. That's a total cost of 50 gems for the hats, 2300 gold for the crones, 767 gold in upkeep, and 100 nature gems for the spells.

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In any case, 200 VOs is a reality by turn 20, while a good sized group of Ivy Kings probably is not.

Do you seriously have 150 nature gems to throw away that early in the game?

BigDaddy · #2 February 28th, 2005, 02:40 AM

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Graeme Dice said:

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In any case, 200 VOs is a reality by turn 20, while a good sized group of Ivy Kings probably is not.

Do you seriously have 150 nature gems to throw away that early in the game?

You mean with out getting any Ivy Kings

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I think you could increase the Ivy King price to 30 nature gems, and decrease their summoning bonus to +2 and they would STILL be a good cast. Anyone disagree?

Graeme Dice · #3 February 28th, 2005, 03:29 AM

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BigDaddy said:You mean with out getting any Ivy Kings

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Ivy Kings aren't exactly early game.

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I think you could increase the Ivy King price to 30 nature gems, and decrease their summoning bonus to +2 and they would STILL be a good cast. Anyone disagree?

I do. To get any benefit out of an ivy king opposed to a vine crown on two mages, you'll have to have the ivy king cast for 15 turns.

Oversway · #4 February 28th, 2005, 11:23 AM

Why not mod vine orges to cost more, and see if any one still uses them and/or if it makes the game more fun?

NTJedi · #5 February 28th, 2005, 05:23 PM

Raising the price of vine-ogres could get some upset. It would be more friendly to drop the gem price of other cheap summons like the salamander, cave drake, wyvern, ice drake, etc... . I never summon these since they just are not worth the price.
Another idea would be making these disliked summons have more life and better stats.

#6 February 28th, 2005, 06:15 PM

Exactly NT Jedi!

Somewhere near the top of the thread it was suggested that Vine Ogres were clearly too cheap because everyone used them, and no-one uses the other early game summons.

So naturely the proposal is to nerf them, thus presumably ensuring that nobody uses Vine Ogres either.

If no-one tends to use any of the other early game summons - even those without easy access to Vine Ogres - then surely it's those other summons that are the problem. The answer doesn't have to be making them cheaper either - maybe better, or more interesting in some way.

And while VOs are a good deal, I haven't seen anyone dominate a game with them. They're still cannon-fodder.

tinkthank · #7 March 3rd, 2005, 06:08 PM

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Mark the Merciful said:
Exactly NT Jedi!

Somewhere near the top of the thread it was suggested that Vine Ogres were clearly too cheap because everyone used them, and no-one uses the other early game summons.

So naturely the proposal is to nerf them, thus presumably ensuring that nobody uses Vine Ogres either.

If no-one tends to use any of the other early game summons - even those without easy access to Vine Ogres - then surely it's those other summons that are the problem. The answer doesn't have to be making them cheaper either - maybe better, or more interesting in some way.

I wish I said that.

Anyhow, I meant it.
Basically, this thread of mine only makes sense together with the "Low Level Summons" thread, where the general gist of things is to make high-powered summons less attractive and decrease the numbers of no-brainers.
VOs are still no-brainers for me in terms of low-level summons; the only ones I ever spend gems on.