Accuracy values for the main guns - MBT's.

[JaM]

Sorry so late, but i have problems to find this buletin.It is writen in Slovak and too technical, so im not able to translate it corectly.But there were two tables. Tab.1 with sumary of comparation fire with sabot ammunition at 1000m with gun fitted externally:
N500 ................ N250
TK.....2A46....YA1.........2A46....YA1
Y......81.......95..............48........67
Z......43.......95..............10........62

Y- horisontal
Z-vertical
N500- percentual share of hits on tagret, in 500mm distance from middle of target
N250- percentual share of hits on target, in 250mm distance from middle of target


Tab.2 is propability of hit from T-72 tank with first shot using APFSDS round at 2000m

Propability with tank gun Rate
2A46..........YA1..........YA1/2A46
0,57..........0,7.............1,23


YA1 is prototype of 2A46MS tank gun.Those tests were made in 1998.

I can send you by mail scanned pages.

[Fabfire]

JaM said:
Sorry so late, but i have problems to find this buletin.It is writen in Slovak and too technical, so im not able to translate it corectly.But there were two tables. Tab.1 with sumary of comparation fire with sabot ammunition at 1000m with gun fitted externally:
N500 ................ N250
TK.....2A46....YA1.........2A46....YA1
Y......81.......95..............48........67
Z......43.......95..............10........62

Y- horisontal
Z-vertical
N500- percentual share of hits on tagret, in 500mm distance from middle of target
N250- percentual share of hits on target, in 250mm distance from middle of target


Tab.2 is propability of hit from T-72 tank with first shot using APFSDS round at 2000m

Propability with tank gun Rate
2A46..........YA1..........YA1/2A46
0,57..........0,7.............1,23


YA1 is prototype of 2A46MS tank gun.Those tests were made in 1998.

I can send you by mail scanned pages.

Thank you. This is very interesting info.

If there is not any inconvenience to you, I would like to take a look at the scanned pages. My e-mail address: fprado@fprado.com

Best regards,

Fab

[Alpha]

hi fabio,

thanx for all the info.

i agree mainly with your thoughts...but can´t comment on it
seriously cause i don´t know the game mechanism good enough. i played the DOS version of this game only a short time, but now it´s another matter and i like this win version very much.

i also come from SPWAW and i know your name and the others you mentioned, perhaps you also remember me from the matrix forum, my name there was (is ? ) frank w.

yes, your page is cool, this is the reason i want you post my stuff there and also i recommend your page to other wargamers.

perhaps you played H2H ?? check the prices for the russian stuff there. in PBM the russian player can outweight the quite bad accuracy of his tanks with mass. i thought simmilar for this game. but i don´t have enough knowlegde on modern armor...except some websites i read for info on my OOB stuff ( and also some personal experience from my time in the luftwaffe of course i hadn´t much to do with tanks there LOL )...i didn´t touch MBT, APC and IFV at all in my OOB...ohhh i post the the info just here so everyone can read it:

[Alpha]

Fabio: I´ll send it to your email adress at the weekend. need to do some additional testing if formations work in timeframe and if prices are balanced !

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Changes:

Weapons added:
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- HK 502 shotgun
- 2 police weapons
- Roland 2 AA missile

Units added:
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- Polizei Trupp ( represent civil police but also "Feldjaeger of the Bundeswehr )
- Bundesgrenzschutz troops ( BGS - paramilitary German forces without conscripts so a bit better exp + morale than normal grunts )
- Luftwaffe Sicherung ( LW - Sich, these are LW troops mainly for the protection of airfields, Nato bunkers, radars, AA instalations etc. )
- Kampfschwimmer ( elite diver troops of the Bundesmarine )
- Pionierpanzer 2 Dachs ( impr. version of PioPz. 1 )
- Roland 2 FlaRak ( impr. version of Roland 1 )
- AA MG unit
- Mehrzweck Raupe ( Bulldozer - use like eng. tanks )
- Gep. LKW ( represents armored trucks like in use at the balcans KFOR )
- some fort types added

Most of these units you´ll find in the "misc" folder.....


Changes to:
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Mountain troops, Boxer IFV, PzH2000, Bell UH1D, SP mortars ammo loadout ( older lowered ) , Alouette carry lowered, Luchs, Wiesel 1 + 2, Kraka, Stinger now Fliegerfaust 2, some names changed....and much other stuff. ( for example i found a wiesel in the orig OOB with 21 (!!) TOW missiles - corrected to real loadout of 8 ! )
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[Fabfire]

Alpha said:
Fabio: I´ll send it to your email adress at the weekend. need to do some additional testing if formations work in timeframe and if prices are balanced !

--------
Changes:

Weapons added:
--------------

- HK 502 shotgun
- 2 police weapons
- Roland 2 AA missile

Units added:
-----------

- Polizei Trupp ( represent civil police but also "Feldjaeger of the Bundeswehr )
- Bundesgrenzschutz troops ( BGS - paramilitary German forces without conscripts so a bit better exp + morale than normal grunts )
- Luftwaffe Sicherung ( LW - Sich, these are LW troops mainly for the protection of airfields, Nato bunkers, radars, AA instalations etc. )
- Kampfschwimmer ( elite diver troops of the Bundesmarine )

- Pionierpanzer 2 Dachs ( impr. version of PioPz. 1 )
- Roland 2 FlaRak ( impr. version of Roland 1 )
- AA MG unit
- Mehrzweck Raupe ( Bulldozer - use like eng. tanks )
- Gep. LKW ( represents armored trucks like in use at the balcans KFOR )
- some fort types added

Most of these units you´ll find in the "misc" folder.....


Changes to:
-----------

Mountain troops, Boxer IFV, PzH2000, Bell UH1D, SP mortars ammo loadout ( older lowered ) , Alouette carry lowered, Luchs, Wiesel 1 + 2, Kraka, Stinger now Fliegerfaust 2, some names changed....and much other stuff. ( for example i found a wiesel in the orig OOB with 21 (!!) TOW missiles - corrected to real loadout of 8 ! )
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That's it. Ladies and gentlemen, by the weekend, a new revised German OOB by Alpha will be available at the Armorsite's WinSPMBT Page! Enjoy!

[Fabfire]

Alpha said:
hi fabio,

thanx for all the info.

i agree mainly with your thoughts...but can´t comment on it
seriously cause i don´t know the game mechanism good enough. i played the DOS version of this game only a short time, but now it´s another matter and i like this win version very much.

i also come from SPWAW and i know your name and the others you mentioned, perhaps you also remember me from the matrix forum, my name there was (is ? ) frank w.

yes, your page is cool, this is the reason i want you post my stuff there and also i recommend your page to other wargamers.

perhaps you played H2H ?? check the prices for the russian stuff there. in PBM the russian player can outweight the quite bad accuracy of his tanks with mass. i thought simmilar for this game. but i don´t have enough knowlegde on modern armor...except some websites i read for info on my OOB stuff ( and also some personal experience from my time in the luftwaffe of course i hadn´t much to do with tanks there LOL )...i didn´t touch MBT, APC and IFV at all in my OOB...ohhh i post the the info just here so everyone can read it:

Yep. I remember H2H pretty well. Excellent mod. Let's wait the upcoming patch that Andy and Don are working on right now and then we'll look at the possibilities. I'm saying this because it seems that the OOBS are an item which are receiving "special treatment"...

So, I will hold until I can see what changes the new OOBS included in the patch will bring (specially in the area of MBT's main gun accuracy), before making any more OOB tweaking. But I agree with your concept 100%.

Best regards,

Fab

[Alpha]

thx. yeahh, better wait for patch.

btw: this animal is missing also from teh ger OOB:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Zwijntje.JPG

( guess what it is ? ) LOL

[Fabfire]

Alpha said:
thx. yeahh, better wait for patch.

btw: this animal is missing also from teh ger OOB:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Zwijntje.JPG

( guess what it is ? ) LOL

Isn't it the "Keiler"? ROTFL

[kevineduguay1]

Hello folks!

I finnaly made it onto this site.

M256, I like your ideas with the 120mm guns but also look at the sabot range as this effects long range hitting power also. Notice that the latter Russian 125mm guns have a greater sabot range than most if not all the 120mm's. This has to be looked at especially when in another post it was pointed out that the Russian ammo lost energy more quickly than the rounds used by Western countries.