Spawning new empires in-game

[geoschmo]

Imperator Fyron said:
That is not entirely accurate. While no new empires can be generated if there are currently 20 in the game, there is nothing special about 20 empire start games. Once an empire is destroyed, a new one can be created through intel or events. I've seen it happen in such games.

You are entirely sure about this? I am pretty positive that Kamog is correct about this. I believe that the absolute limit is 20 in the history of a game. If you start with that many, or once you reach that many in game dead or alive, you cannot get any more planets to rebel.

Arckon said:Or deliberately make your planets angry for a long time

This doesn't work for SE4 unfortunatly. It did for SE3, but in SE4 you have to have the PPP inte project.

[Fyron]

geoschmo said:
You are entirely sure about this? I am pretty positive that Kamog is correct about this. I believe that the absolute limit is 20 in the history of a game. If you start with that many, or once you reach that many in game dead or alive, you cannot get any more planets to rebel.

I am quite certain. I have seen more empires spawned from PPP after killing/conquering one of the old ones.

[geoschmo]

Imperator Fyron said:
I am quite certain. I have seen more empires spawned from PPP after killing/conquering one of the old ones.

So I am curious what happens to the player order when this happens. In my experience a spawned empire is also put at the end of the list. Butw when an empire dies they are not removed from the list and still show on the player select screen that comes up when you load the game as a dead empire. So if you have 15 live empires and 5 dead ones and a new empire is spawned, does it replace one of the dead empires, or does it get put at the end of the list, in which case you'd have more then 20 in this list. Do you have an old save game where you can see more then twenty total spots in this empire list when you load the game?

[Fyron]

The score and diplomacy display screens clear dead empires, however.

I have never checked the player selection screen explicitly after seeing new empires spawned. Don't they tend to be neutrals?

All of my old savegames were lost in hdd failure.