SE5 gets some... "recognition"

[neofit]

Aren't all games released early for one simple reason: money? No more money to fund development, need a cash infusion asap for whatever reason. The usual "budget, quality, time - choose two" paradigm, and some can manage the three better than others.

[Fyron]

AT: Do you have any evidence that SF1st forced a release? It was my understanding that Aaron Hall chose to release it then...

[frightlever]

DingBat said:
If you're interested, I've attached a screen shot of my steam console.

Good call on Defcon.


As for my rent-a-shill comments - I stand by them. Who posts a review virtually on release day saying SE5 is the best game ever? Who defends a comment like that?

And I'm still here because I'm a longtime fan of Space Empires that considers SE5 unplayable and I'll probably stick around here responding to the stupidity I witness until the game gets fixed enough that I can eff off and play it. So yeah, there's an incentive to fix the bugs.

And I still see nothing but apologist propaganda from Atrocities and Fyron. Hey, fair enough maybe the multiplayer doesn't suffer from the same problems the SP does. Then yesterday I popped into a thread proposing workarounds for the broken multiplayer. And there's an (almost?) empty SE5 opponents seeking opponents sub-forum which is a testimony to that end of the game in itself.

And I don't care if Aaron is a club-footed orphan coding in braille - the transaction is simple. I give him money, he gives me a game. If this is a hobby for him then stick the project on sourceforge and let the community fix it. If he's trying to make a living, just like the rest of us, then don't do shoddy work.

EDIT: I mean really some people seem to forget that you can go into EB and pick this product up off the shelves (in the far unlit corner of the store furthest from the door, with the rest of the PC games) take it to the counter and pay for it. When you get it home are you going to be reassured that it'll get fixed in time if you've no knowledge of the previous games or are you going to throw it in the pile of games you wished you'd waited for a review for. And that's besides the point that one of those metacritic reviews (a site I only ever visited because it's used to rate the games on Steam - check out the Steampowered forums to see what I mean about truly uninformed opinions of the game! They're not kind.)is in the 80s, bizarrely.

Who's even struggling on with 1.13? I can hack the combat time limit, ignore the broken boarding and put up with the UI (which I AM actually getting used to. That's not even much of a concern for me now - the TZN? tiny flag mod helps a lot.) but am I playing a fun game? No.

[Combat Wombat]

Holy [censored] I am so tired of people. Yes SE5 was released in a bad condition. Currently I don't play the game outside of modding so I am ready for the day SE5 is playalbe for me.

Please shut up, we know SE5 was released in a crap condition. No one made you buy it the way it is, you could have waited for patches. Don't tell me you didn't think the game would be like it is after the demo. If you bought the game without playing the demo or reading reviews you are a moron. It was quite clear SE5 would be a bugfest on release. Please stop turning threads into these complaining sessions.

'nuff said

[Xrati]

Ahhhhh! Sometimes people just need to "vent!" If it helps them move on, then let it be and enjoy the reading!!!

[President_Elect_Shang]

frightlever said:
…I'll probably stick around here responding to the stupidity I witness until the game gets fixed enough that I can eff off and play it...

This is a great line, so what you are telling me is that you came here to blast the bugs and will leave when the game is fixed. And that is somehow equal to saying: “I came here to attack people and vent my frustration over having spent my money on a game I don’t like and Atrocities and Fyron are the targets I picked.” Because that’s what I’m seeing!
Besides crying here is going to fix the bugs how? You think I have a direct line to Aaron? Here let me pick up the Hall Phone… <ring>…<ring>….

Am I the only one that sees this? Frightlover you have been on the attack and even gone so far as calling two members here complete dicks. Now you add this to the fire?

And I still see nothing but apologist propaganda from Atrocities and Fyron.

And don’t forget the Complete Dicks comment too.

And don’t defend yourself here by saying “He started it”! Atrocities wasn’t even talking to you unless you’re Dingbat too. Even then Dingbat accepted his apology! Which Atrocities made of his own free will to display his maturity, a maturity you apparently lack!

…When you get it home are you going to be reassured that it'll get fixed in time if you've no knowledge of the previous games or are you going to throw it in the pile of games you wished you'd waited for a review for…

I’m sorry!?! I didn’t know it was my fault for YOU not making an informed purchase. Obviously it is my fault since you are here “only to respond to the stupidity you witness”; to paraphrase you that is.

…but am I playing a fun game? No.

Here’s an idea you seemed to have missed, STOP PLAYING. I think it’s about time you take your show on the road! I can’t speak for the other members here but I for one am pretty tired of your insults and unprovoked attacks!

And I really don’t care if you add me to your “Poop list”!

[President_Elect_Shang]

Combat Wombat said:
...Currently I don't play the game outside of modding so I am ready for the day SE5 is playalbe for me. Please shut up...

Amen to that brother!

[Fyron]

frightlever said:
And I still see nothing but apologist propaganda from Atrocities and Fyron.

Get a life, kid.

[frightlever]

"And don’t forget the Complete Dicks comment too.

And don’t defend yourself here by saying “He started it”! Atrocities wasn’t even talking to you unless you’re Dingbat too. Even then Dingbat accepted his apology! Which Atrocities made of his own free will to display his maturity, a maturity you apparently lack!"

Atrocities never did anything to me personally to warrant an apology so that's a non-issue. I said he was a dick to the community. That's a personal attack on a non-personal attack. He can't help himself but you're all pussy-footing around like he has a clue. If you want to take patience lessons from obsessives then good luck to you. The fact he made a personal attack on Dingbat just shows he's as "bad" as I am. The fact he apologised shows he didn't believe what he said. I do. I have no use for people telling me this game will be fixed if we just sit back and wait.

Shang, I got no problem with you. You're pissed off with me which is fine, but you're doing the game no disservice. Atrocities and Fyron are. I'm willing to engage other people at an adult level if they're not deluding themselves.


And Fyron, the kid thing... poor... I wish... poor... go explain how all the ills of SE5 can be solved with nothing but other software and adult education classes. Bless.

EDIT: Oh. And "get a life" from the guy with 17k posts. Irony. Look it up.

[Phoenix-D]

Mostly because I'm bored, here's a short cross-section of Fyron's posts from the last week.

-answering question about ques
-saying MM picked the release date, has a history of releasing buggy games then fixing them later
-comments on Balance mod, including complaining about the stock balance
-defending Dingbat from AT's deleted comment
-where SE5 has been found comment
-comment on maximum ranges
-noting that you can't add new data-file fields
-asking people to be patient about modding docs
-request for modding feature, explanation of how modding works, event help
-complaining that SE5's save files are too large for easy MP, repeatedly
-torrent of the 2nd patch
-release of Adamant mod
-asking what features were cut, to Thorfrog
-imagined drama comments
-comments about the beta testers, including the note that he doesn't PLAY SE5 much because he's unsatisfied and the game needs work
-comments about the UI
-comments on chat timing, Steam updates
-comments about hot-keys

I didn't see any kissing up, fright. I'm inclined to think you presume anyone who doesn't agree completely with you is a fanboy.