Medusa Sheild is killing blind and undead, bug?

[Argitoth]

triqui said:Ghosts have eyes (ethereal eyes) and see

Ghosts can't be turned to stone. Some undead like ghouls use eye organs. However, zombies aren't alive in any way. A zombie's eyes aren't alive. Undead like skeletons and zombies are completely animated by magic. They don't use eyes in any way.

I think we need to give blindness tag to a lot of undead as a way to solve this problem. Oh, but currently Medusa Shield kills blind units.

[Foodstamp]

Where are you guys getting this information? Grave's Anatomy? Har Har Har.

[Xietor]

I do not think undead should be immune to petrify. They are overpowered as is. So for balance they need to remain vulnerable to it.

And lest you forget, the 3 medusas were as powerful as gods.
Think of their ability to turn things to stone as magical. Since undead are not already stone-they are susceptible to be turned into stone.

[Argitoth]

Xietor, I can agree with that. However, it doesn't make sense that ethereal beings can be turned to stone.

Ghosts have no substance to turn to stone.

Foodstamp said:
Where are you guys getting this information? Grave's Anatomy? Har Har Har.

Have you ever played Dominions?

[Ewierl]

Argitoth said:Ghosts have no substance to turn to stone.

They have substance, it's just ethereal. "Ethereal" is not "nonexistent." Remember, you can chop up a ghost with swords, it's just harder to do so. Petrification is a magical event, not a physical event.

There is a different tag out there that denotes "really really has no substance"; it is the "Truly Etheral" trait possessed by some Doom Horrors. It provides 75% protection against non-astral magic... presumably this would block Medusa petrification in the same way as it does the spell.

[Xietor]

All matter exists in 3 states-solid, liquid, or gas.

Think of petrification as a 2 step process. First, matter that exists in a form other than a solid state is converted
into a solid state.

Then the composition of the matter in the solid state-if not already stone-is changed to stone.

[llamabeast]

All matter exists in 3 states-solid, liquid, or gas.

Ooh! Ooh! Complex-matter-PhD-boy can't resist! There's more than just those three - gels, for instance (e.g. jelly/jello). And things which appear solid but slowly flow, e.g. glass (well, glass that we see every day is pretty close to solid, but some glasses flow more quickly). And cornflour in water!

I think my points are pretty much irrelevant to Xietor's post though. And of course, most things are pretty much solid, liquid or gas. Just thought I'd add to the geekiness of the thread.

[DonCorazon]

llamabeast said:

Ooh! Ooh! Complex-matter-PhD-boy can't resist! There's more than just those three - gels, for instance (e.g. jelly/jello). And things which appear solid but slowly flow, e.g. glass (well, glass that we see every day is pretty close to solid, but some glasses flow more quickly). And cornflour in water!

I think my points are pretty much irrelevant to Xietor's post though. And of course, most things are pretty much solid, liquid or gas. Just thought I'd add to the geekiness of the thread.

Allow me to carry this to a level of geekiness that could possibly allow me to ascend to geek godhood.

So our dilemma here is how can petrification possibly impact the animated dead and the visually impaired?

Perhaps, the petrification wavelength need only touch the retina - whether the retina itself works is irrelevant. This avoids the sticky issue of how the undead see, which I am guessing looks something like the Predator.

[sector24]

This thread is nerdtastic. It gets my stamp of approval.

[NTJedi]

Argitoth said:
Xietor, I can agree with that. However, it doesn't make sense that ethereal beings can be turned to stone.

Ghosts have no substance to turn to stone.

It seems turning to stone should work on some undead such as ghouls and vampires and other undead have an immunity for turning to stone, unfortunately since there's a mix the developers would need to create a new type of undead tag for a permanent fix. It's very unlikely JK or KO will examine all undead and provide some with a new extra undead tag.

This is one of those scenarios like the spell 'maggots' which targets the undead... this should only work on some undead and not work on ghosts or spirits.