Utility: Dominion Spread Utility: Questions

[Micah]

Temple spread is almost certainly after preaching.

I also had a mystery dominion point in Artifacts on turn 2, where I had more candles on turn 2 than I possibly could have (3 for pretender, 1 for VP, 1 for home, 1 for temple, 1 for prophet and 1 starting for a total of 8, but I'm fairly certain I had 9 candles on turn 2 of the game.) Not a huge deal, but indicative of a possible bug.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Micah

Temple spread is almost certainly after preaching.

I am pretty sure that it doesn't exactly work that way.

It seems that there is one blanket check to see where and how many temple/priest checks will occur. Then they are all run simultaneously, and applied additively. This is my theory, based on the observation that large numbers of H1 priests can Preach a single province above 2 (or 3 with Temple), if you have enough in one place, and get lucky rolls. Also, doing it this way eliminates redundancy, allowing the game to proceed without checking for every individual source of Dominion, before rolling for it.

[vfb]

Originally Posted by Micah

Temple spread is almost certainly after preaching.

I also had a mystery dominion point in Artifacts on turn 2, where I had more candles on turn 2 than I possibly could have (3 for pretender, 1 for VP, 1 for home, 1 for temple, 1 for prophet and 1 starting for a total of 8, but I'm fairly certain I had 9 candles on turn 2 of the game.) Not a huge deal, but indicative of a possible bug.

No dom lucky event in turn 2? You mean more candles that should have been possible in a single province? Or more candles total around your cap?

If you had a lucky event in a province you didn't own but you had dominion in, you could get a dominion increase without the message. Just like barbarians popping up in to join an indy army when you've got misfortune.

[Illuminated One]

I have the following theories:

Temple checks are before preaching

Friendly checks are before enemy checks


One way to really check it is to make a large map with 2 nations played by you.
Take a province that's very remote so that it's not influence by dominion from other provinces.
Get a nation (A) with a h3 priest give him the sword that makes him h4.
Now you have a priest with 120% preaching chance.
The other nation (B) gets dom 10 -> 100% temple spread chance.
Build a temple and a castle in the remote province with nation B and siege it with nation A.

Then do the following:
Preach it to neutral dom, and then let only the h4 priest preach.
The priest should always +1 the dominion, the temple should have a 100% increase chance if there is neutral dom and a 95% chance if there's enemy dominion.
Ok, now you'd have to host it for a lot of turns and if the province is still neutral the temple spread happened always before the preaching.
If not then the preaching made the province +1 dominion on a turn and the temple failed at the 95% chance check (the good thing is the temple can never take this back as the priest will always procude 1 dom until dominion is 4 so you don't have to check all turns, just the last).

[JimMorrison]

Your H4 Prophet also generates a free Temple Check in his current province, each month.

[Illuminated One]

Does the artifact sword that gives you a priest level also make you a prophet?

Well, if thats the case maybe you could mod a natural h4 priest.

[JimMorrison]

No, you only get a Prophet through the Become Prophet command. I was just pointing out that since all Prophets get automatic Temple Checks, that the experiment wouldn't work.

[Micah]

Originally Posted by vfb

No dom lucky event in turn 2? You mean more candles that should have been possible in a single province? Or more candles total around your cap?

If you had a lucky event in a province you didn't own but you had dominion in, you could get a dominion increase without the message. Just like barbarians popping up in to join an indy army when you've got misfortune.

More in total. And I'm pretty sure I didn't have any events, I can check later.

I base my assertion that preaching comes before temple spread on a few observations. One of the most notable ones was getting dom-killed in Rand Redux despite having a pile of bakemono shaman preaching on my sieged cap temple, which had a few candles of mine in it to start. My opponent didn't have significant amounts of priests there, but he did have prophet and pretender...I preach to my max of 3 dom and then his 4 checks knock out my remaining candles, otherwise his checks would have knocked me down to 0 or -1 but my 8-10 preachers should have easily been able to get that back to a positive amount...I'm assuming dom-death isn't checked until the end of the turn since that's when the message arrives, as opposed to mid-phase, though I guess that could throw things off.