Elusive Italians

[Imp]

I already have the document but the background info was very useful.

If you dont mind as you seem to have looked at military hardware extensivly could you comment on the following concerning autocannons or whatever you wish to call them.
The game seems to assume they fire in 10 round bursts looking at real life ammo loadouts & those provided in game I am wondering if this might be a bit high & considering adjusting to say 7 or so maybe 5 in some cases. I have not looked at in detail but 20mm cannon esp tend to have a low ammo load. This may well be justified due to high ROF to make up for the caliber I just would appreciate your thoughts on the mater.
From a purely game point of view if sticking with Italians you take Fiat Oto 6616-A armoured car it carries 12 shots 6 HE & 6 anti vehicle & is by no means the worst.
At present this type of vehicle I turn the range down on to stop it using all its ammo at range but they would just be nicer to use if a case could be had for slightly more ammo. Stops you having to keep an eye on or indeed avoiding buying because it will achieve little before the ammo is gone

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Imp

The game seems to assume they fire in 10 round bursts looking at real life ammo loadouts & those provided in game I am wondering if this might be a bit high & considering adjusting to say 7 or so maybe 5 in some cases. I have not looked at in detail but 20mm cannon esp tend to have a low ammo load. This may well be justified due to high ROF to make up for the caliber I just would appreciate your thoughts on the mater.
From a purely game point of view if sticking with Italians you take Fiat Oto 6616-A armoured car it carries 12 shots 6 HE & 6 anti vehicle & is by no means the worst.

I would not get to hung up on the "10 round bursts". It is just a quick rule of thumb. The 25mm M242 used in the american OOBs seem to assume 15 rounds burst when you check real life listed ammo loadouts against game ones.
With these weapons you have to account for vehicles ammo load, ROF, ammo mixture (AP mixed among HE or dual feed capability for example) and probably others factors as well.

That being said some italian sources credit the 6616 with a capacity for 650 rounds.12 shots with a HE kill of just 13 seems suspiciously low.
However now I don't have the time for the sort of research and comparisons necessary to make a robust case for changing it. There are a lot of 20mm users in the game.

[Imp]

Cheers for having a quick look that was indeed what I did simply because have noticed several vehicles are capable really of only hit & run tactics due to loadouts. 65 shots would be going to the other extreme & really just wanted confirmation I was not being silly. Obviosly increased loadouts will push up the cost but will see what the guide has to say on the subject. I have a funny feeling some are based on whats in the magazine & some the total loadout depending on who did it

[Imp]

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Originally Posted by Imp
Perhaps because seems quite a strange army looking at its MBT certainly not pitched against Russia it would struggle against forces in the Balkans area. There is a nice SP ATGM but the infantry dont get many & indeed decent RPGs are a bit thin on the ground.

In the Cold War I believe the italian army was expected to deal with with was what left of a mainly hungarian force after they had knocked out Austria (we had some thread there which detailed how the hungarians were expecting to be essentially massacred in Austria); which to say not much in all likelihood. Yugoslavia could have been an other enemy, at least theoretically.
So we are speaking about mostly 2nd line forces with upgraded
T-55s and vanilla T-72s at most.
Nowadays we doing coalition warfare/peacekeeping on a shoestring budget; the Ariete and available antitank weapons are good enough for such scenarios. There is not need to match late Abrams or Leopard and doing so would be an useless extravaganza which would rob some more pressing need. For example there are some plans to build an heavy APC, such a thing would be more useful than some uber APFSDS.

Just want to say thanks for this & other input Marcello it has been an intresting exercise playing these what ifs out.