Troubling Times: Game over, Marverni wins

[Rytek]

Originally Posted by Zeldor

People are just starting to realise that you are doing everything to help Ermor win this game.

The silver tounge of Formoria's ambassadors may convince others of this. I will point out the flaws in that argument.
FACTS:
1)Helheim has NO border with Ermor.
2)Helheim is not aiding Ermor in their war against Pangea in any way.
3)The war between Helheim and Formoria have nothing to do with Ermor in any way as Formoria was not attacking Ermor. Formoria was far too busy ganging up on Arcos.
4)As far as trade partners go, Ermor ranks last in the number of trades Helheim has done with them as compared to others with at least 3 other nations on that list.

Where does the argument: "Ermor is getting too powerfull and is winning the game, lets attack Helheim!!" Make ANY sense but to the Diplomats of Formoria?

Here is what makes sense to me: Formoria has 3 globals, an amazing density of Castles, Elemental royalty including Air and Fire, powerfull Artifacts including Aegis (well, to be fair, not any more), recruitable SC (Helheim has good thugs no doubt but at 15 HP Venhearses and Hangdrotts hardly qualify as SC) and finally, Helheim has borders with Formoria, NOT Ermor.

As to my other neighbors. Diplomacy went much smoother with them.
Synapse:

Helheim to Mictlin :hi there want NAP3?
Mictlin to Hellheim: OK.
Game long peace since. Even a bit of cooperation against Yomi.

Helheim to Marverni : sorry for killing your expansion group at XYZ province. whould you like NAP3?
Marverni to Helheim, Np on killing my group, ok on Nap3.
Later on deal made for (then still neutral)Calimport province which I posted about earlier. As Marverni correctly guessed we were about to attack at same time again.
game long peace since.

Helheim to Formoria: Hi, seems we are neighbors now. Want Nap3?
Formoria to Helheim: We can work out a deal where you give me 6 provinces to secure our borders and we can have game long peace.

me: huh? give him 6 provinces for peace, aint happening:

Helheim to Formoria: negative on me giving you land for peace, how about we leave things the way they are?(Actually, come to think about it, I did offer him 3 provinces)

Formoria to Helheim: unacceptable.
And that is the exact word Formoria's diplomats used. Unacceptable.

So, now Helheim renews its offer of peace in open: Formia cede's to Helheim the 3 provinces I counter offered after our first attack and I will offer Nap3. And again I say "how does it feel to have provinces demanded for peace"?