Mod: CBM 1.8 released

[WraithLord]

*one hot bath later *

Yeap. We do actually partly (fully?) agree. I see that

Let's break it down to three discordant factors:
A. GoR. check. 1.8 nailed that.
B. GoH. Yes. Too good Synergy, too cheap. But - at risk of overwrite and total loss of (GoH) investment. In your avg MP game you'd see GoH change hands precisely for that reason.
C. Chalice. Yes. Too good, way too cheap. Should be much more pricey. But- can be wished. Have you ever participated in a chalice wish war?- I have - It's for real.

So, A is overnerf of tarts. Some sort of compensation is needed for such supposedly bad-*** monsters. I mean dom would be poorer w/o them and at 1.8 settings they may become a rare sight.
B+C should be addressed as well by CBM though IMHO are less acute than A.

Now comes D into play: namely EDM and it's summons, by light of which death centric nations are, as of 1.8, at a disadvantage in the high end SC/Diversity summons section.

[kianduatha]

Originally Posted by WraithLord

*one hot bath later *

Yeap. We do actually partly (fully?) agree. I see that

Let's break it down to three discordant factors:
A. GoR. check. 1.8 nailed that.
B. GoH. Yes. Too good Synergy, too cheap. But - at risk of overwrite and total loss of (GoH) investment. In your avg MP game you'd see GoH change hands precisely for that reason.
C. Chalice. Yes. Too good, way too cheap. Should be much more pricey. But- can be wished. Have you ever participated in a chalice wish war?- I have - It's for real.

So, A is overnerf of tarts. Some sort of compensation is needed for such supposedly bad-*** monsters. I mean dom would be poorer w/o them and at 1.8 settings they may become a rare sight.
B+C should be addressed as well by CBM though IMHO are less acute than A.

Now comes D into play: namely EDM and it's summons, by light of which death centric nations are, as of 1.8, at a disadvantage in the high end SC/Diversity summons section.

But...you're saying in the same breath that Chalice/GoH are 'too good' for their effects on Tartarians and that EDM makes Tartarians an inferior choice. You can't have everyone simultaneously rushing to the Chalice/GoH for Tartarians *and* not even bother with Tartarians. If the majority of nations don't particularly care about Tartarians because they have other options, then there won't be such a rush to the Chalice...it'll just be a race among the Death-centric nations, most of which have other options as well. Right?

[Jarkko]

I am starting to think Possession might be slightly broken.

If you use Possess with a mage that is on the hero chart, then you can also mummify the hero back. Slightly schizo situation, the hero is both a mummy and the possessed unit, at the same time. Although techincally you see the hero with both the new name (the possesseds name) and the old name (the mummy). I suppose that is ok, although it sure feels odd when you think about it (perhaps not worth thinking too much ).

The best thing: If the unit you possess has seen many fights (like tough units tend to do, and incidently it will be a tough unit you want to possess), it instantly rockets to hero status. Again that is technically ok I guess, but I sure felt my jaw drop when I saw that

[WraithLord]

"If the majority of nations don't particularly care about Tartarians because they have other options, then there won't be such a rush to the Chalice...it'll just be a race among the Death-centric nations, most of which have other options as well. Right?"
That is a big if and remains to be seen. That said, I tend to think this is exactly what will happen, but here there's something much better than speculation: just wait a bit for real MP feedback re. post 1.8 Tarts.

[iRFNA]

Originally Posted by Jarkko

I am starting to think Possession might be slightly broken.

If you use Possess with a mage that is on the hero chart, then you can also mummify the hero back. Slightly schizo situation, the hero is both a mummy and the possessed unit, at the same time. Although techincally you see the hero with both the new name (the possesseds name) and the old name (the mummy). I suppose that is ok, although it sure feels odd when you think about it (perhaps not worth thinking too much ).

The best thing: If the unit you possess has seen many fights (like tough units tend to do, and incidently it will be a tough unit you want to possess), it instantly rockets to hero status. Again that is technically ok I guess, but I sure felt my jaw drop when I saw that

This makes me want to create some sort of possession mummy chain. Like possess a unit, get in the HoF, empower it 1 astral, possess a new unit, mummify the HoF unit, repeat. I'm not sure if it'd be very practical but it would amuse me greatly.

Actually, wait.. Don't the mummies come back with magic? Or is that only twiceborn? Which leads me to my next question: can an undead mage possess something?

[Jarkko]

Originally Posted by iRFNA

Actually, wait.. Don't the mummies come back with magic? Or is that only twiceborn? Which leads me to my next question: can an undead mage possess something?

Yes, mummies have all magic paths. Yes, undead mages can possess. Yes, dead mummy heroes can be re-mummified.

[Jarkko]

Some more things on Possession, so that they do not come as suprise.

You can possess mercenaries. For example, yes, it means a nation who can possess and grabs the Eternal Knigts will absolutely 100% certainly possess the knights (who doesn't love super-knigts who also are H2 priestsm, for the cost of one astral pearl each?).

You can possess indies, of course. In case you didn't know, a Shark Knight thug is pretty nasty (give him a shield of gleaming gold, lucky amulet, some AoE weapon and watch the carnage; for giggles I tried a Shark Knight (admittedly with Holy Scourge (and a lucky amulet)) against a Fire-brand equipped Bane Lord, and to my amazement the Shark Knight won without a scratch).

Anyway, Possession will give Man and Bogarus all new possibilities for thugs. For Ulm Possession does feel slightly too good, what with their cheap astral mages and strong bloodeconomy (demon and devil thugs are pretty darn good).