MP Morla MA noob game (running)

shatner · #1 November 27th, 2011, 05:39 PM

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Lets sketch Our view of events:
We ended the NAP with TC.
We waited one turn longer than was necessary, so in the first turn after the NAP we only gathered troops at the border.
We let Our Bards loose the second turn after the NAP.
The third turn Our troops attacked three provinces.

Somewhen during those steps of escalation, T'ien Ch'i and Ermor agreed on a cease fire. T'ien Ch'i didn't tell Us.
So one can ask why? Did he just forget to relay this information, that could have prevented Our attack?
We don't think so.
We think the masters of T'ien Ch'i "forgot" it on purpose. They sacrificed their own provinces for one goal: manipulating others, especially Ulm, into a war against Man.
Now its Ulm's choice if they let their mighty nation be manipulated into a war against an old friend by the scheming manipulators of tiny T'ien Ch'i.
The nation of Man will stand to its words. We will fight this war against T'ien Ch'i and all provinces We take will go to Ermor.

As usual Man's interpretation of events is wrong and self-serving. We kept quiet about our deal because Ermor asked us to keep a lid on it. If anyone is attempting to pull diplomatic shenanigans it's Ermor. We only piped up about it when Man seemed to tell the world that they'd leave us alone to keep Ulm from entering the fray, and then attacked us. Once it became clear that our days were numbered, keeping our silence about our peace with Ermor seemed less important.

We have only ever spoken well of Ermor; they have been a worthy opponent and their dealings with Man make sense as they were driven to the brink by two committed foes. We have only spoken poorly of Man and Man has yet to do a single thing to disprove our characterization of them.

The actual exchange between me and Ermor is included below:

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So... it's been quite the war we've had. Lots of back and forth.

Well, we're done. Congratulations. Man is massing on our borders and will be marching on us as soon as diplomacy will allow. While we sought your destruction with our every act these many turns, you have been an honorable foe and we hold no ill will towards you. Man, however, is a vile opportunist and we hold them in contempt. If we must fight a losing battle, if we must be trampled into the dust, we would rather our last act of defiance be to hobble Man as much as we can, for as long as we can.

We offer you this deal: we will withdraw from your lands and fall back to within our old borders (10, 22, 27 and the lands west of there). During this fall back, you are not to attack 17 or 16 (though 11 and 15 are fair game). We will sign an immediate NAP-6 with you. Our nations can then leave one another to their respective fates. We hope that, in time, Man finds a pair of skeletal hands choking him to death. It would be poetic, at least.

If you reject our offer than we will instead spend what few resources we have left pillaging your lands and waging war on you while offering Man no resistance to his aggression.

In a few months time, it is likely we'll have nothing left to us but our besieged forts and our spite; we're sure you understand the sentiment. We will have our revenge, however petty, against someone.

Will it be against you or against Man? You decide. We await your response.

- T'ien Ch'i

I'm OK with the deal, but:
the problem is I need Man's preassure on Jotunheim as well. So anything we deal, must be kept secret (ie: no reference in the AAR thread)

I'll take a revision of my turn now, to see if 17 and 16 are free of attacks.

Agreed, we'll keep quiet about this; though in the interests of full disclosure we have informed our ally, Jotunheim, of our intention to retreat from you, bunker down and try to give Man hell.

Morla · #2 November 27th, 2011, 06:35 PM

Interesting diplomatic talk.

The nation of Ulm, declares the NAP-3 between Man-Ulm finished.

The intentions from man aren´t clear, and it seems Man is going for the win.

Man you have 3 months to stop your invasion of T'ien Ch'i, and let that T'ien Ch'i and Ermor fix their own situation. If not YOU and I will be enemies.

Olm · #3 November 27th, 2011, 08:05 PM

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Interesting diplomatic talk.

The nation of Ulm, declares the NAP-3 between Man-Ulm finished.

The intentions from man aren´t clear, and it seems Man is going for the win.

Man you have 3 months to stop your invasion of T'ien Ch'i, and let that T'ien Ch'i and Ermor fix their own situation. If not YOU and I will be enemies.

Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.
We do not take well to threats, but in appreciation of our friendship we will think about it and inform you in due time.

SpaceViking21 · #4 November 28th, 2011, 03:44 PM

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Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.

I'm sure T'ien thought similarly.

triqui · #5 November 28th, 2011, 05:50 PM

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Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.

I'm sure T'ien thought similarly.

HEY! I was a real empire. Once upon a time.

SpaceViking21 · #6 November 28th, 2011, 08:55 PM

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Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.

I'm sure T'ien thought similarly.

HEY! I was a real empire. Once upon a time.

I was more talking about Man, but I guess that works for you as well.

triqui · #7 November 28th, 2011, 09:31 PM

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I'm sure T'ien thought similarly.

HEY! I was a real empire. Once upon a time.

I was more talking about Man, but I guess that works for you as well.

Oh, I thought you meant when I was crying for help like a baby. Bassically what Tien Chi is doing now

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I don't get all the fuss about this

. It's obvious that T'Chi is going to try anything to convince Ulm to attack Man, for the same reasons I tried everything I could to get Man involved in the war too. And Ulm will enter in the war (or not), when he finds it suitable to his own interests, using Tien Chi as an excuse of cassus belli. But the real reason to attack Man (or not doing so) would be his chances to win the game doing so. Exactly like Man did with my ask. Which is exactly what I would had done if I were in Ulm's (or Man's) position. And I suspect Tien Chi (or anyone else) would do the same too. Everything else is hypcr... err... diplomacy I mean.

shatner · #8 November 28th, 2011, 04:14 PM

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Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.

Ad hominem, much? It is true that we of T'ien Ch'i are small, weak and likely not long for this world. However, our decline is not because of some moral deficiency, nor is our talk any "cheaper" because of our low province-count.

We fell so low because we joined up against the preeminent power of the time, shouldering the majority of the cost, loss and risk of hobbling Ermor, while Man was off fighting a far lesser foe and biding their time. We would have risen back up but we were ultimately denied the fruits of our labor by Man's intervention.

There are only two things that went wrong for T'ien Ch'i: Ermor fighting the good fight all the way down and Man jumping up and down on us after the fact. We are backwater because of you so we find your indictment somewhat silly.