Hungarian OOB 5.5

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303 Scouts - better pic of non-Mosin rifle is 23509 (used by unit #300 for a rifle 43/M)

310, 311, 316, 317, 359 Rifle Section, 312 Scouts - proper pic of Mosin-family rifle is 11098

357 Maxim HMG [2] - better picture is 29409 or 29178

373 SPG-82 RCL - picture should be changed to correct one (I've proposed new picture in other post). (I have no idea, if they used this unpopular weapon).

376 B10 Recoilless - as #68 - realistic date is 1/55 (now 1/50)

388 Yak-9B (spotter) - maybe Yak-9M or P (Yak-9B was sparse Soviet fighter-bomber variant). Hungarian spelling is Jak.

398 GAZ-46 MAV - it should be small 5-seater amphibious jeep, equivalent of Ford GPA, not MG-armed 3+6 crew vehicle - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ_46 . Picture shows probably some prototype of some other, bigger vehicle (also used in Polish OOB as MAV).
Available in OOB in 69-120 - but it's somewhat doubtful, if the Hungarians started to use it 11 years after production's end (1958 according to the Russian Wikipedia), and it's unbelievable to use it until now. 1/58-12/79, max. 89 would be more probable estimation. Speed was 90 km/h.

403, 404 BRM-1 - seems, that this is in fact ordinary BMP-1 lacking Malutka, not BRM-1K (special scout vehicle from the 80s, which, according to nTW-1/01, was delivered only to Poland, CS and NVA). Therefore, it should have picture 11064 of BMP-1 and be named so (assigning BMP-1 to recce tasks doesn't make it BRM). Basic BMP has carry=109, these: 112.

408 BTR-60PB - carry capacity was in fact only 8 (+commander) (now 112).

411 BRDM-1 - DShK was rather not used, typical was one 7.62mm MG.

414 IS-IIm1944 - better name is just IS-2 (especially, that no other models of IS-2 are used). Ammo was distributed more evenly (if not more HE, than AP).

421 Luchs A3 - it isn't known to be used (now: from 1/110)

422 Mercedes Atlas - an existence of such vehicle, armed with Mistral and DShK in addition, should be verified. There are known Mistral launcher carriers on Unimog trucks in the Hun. Army.

424 Mistral Team - according to an article in nTW 6/2011, only twin Atlas Mistral launchers are used, and after withdrawal of Igla in 2011, Hunagry remained without MANPADS at all.

425 VBL Igla - existence of such vehicle should be verified. There are known only GAZ-66 Lama vehicles - simple twin Igla-1E launchers on GAZ-66 truck (unarmoured), with no MG (I have no info on number of reloads, which should be 2-4). Possible icon 76. It doesn't seem to have TI, nor any special night vision devices. Some photos of a model and a real one: http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?...opic_id=155046
Unfortunately, I have no sure starting date - may be assumed some 1990 (Igla missiles were bought in 1986), withdrawn in 4/2011. In an article on Hungarian Iglas [source nTW 6/2011] there's no mention on VBL launcher.

426 Strela-3 Team - in fact, should be changed to Igla-1E - used in Hungary from 1986, last ones fired in 4/2011 [source: article in nTW-6/2011, by Hungarian author]. Despite some Western sources mention Strela-3 in Hungary instead of Igla, but there is no mention on Strela-3 in a quoted article, devoted to last firings of Igla. After 2011, Hungary remained without MANPADS.

433 UAZ-469 Shmel - starting date at 1/60 is rather impossible, since only in 8/60 it was commissioned in the USSR, and then its production started. Realistic date is 63, as of unit #434. Besides, it should be GAZ-69, not UAZ-469.

436, 437 Reserve Section - proper pic of Mosin-family rifle is 11098

480 Malutka ATGM - there shouldn't be RPG-7

494 Malutka 2 - as #98

503 152mm Battery - correct pic of D-1 howitzer is 36139

542 Komsolets - should be replaced with Ja-12 tractor.

The Hungarians also used during the war 37M Hansa-Loyd - a copy of SdKfz-11 (I don't know if it was used post-war, but it could be)

590 43/M Turan 75h - as far as it is known, Turan 75h (Turan III) with long gun remained a single prototype from 1943. The sources usually focus on Hungarian tank production before 1945, but it is doubtful, if their production lasted after the war...

613 BTR-80A - 25 vehicles were present already in early 1999 - I don't known when delivered (now 1/100) [source nTW 4/99]

903 Su-22 - precisely, Su-22M3. It could carry only 6 S-24 rockets, one under each main pod (now: 9)

905 MiG-29A - even 80 rockets S-8 can be carried in 4 launchers (now: 40)

920 Mi-24 Hind - should be Mi-24D - but 80mm rockets were introduced only in early 80s, especially to client states.

924 Mi-24 Hind - existence of alleged 57mm guided rockets should be verified, especially concerning their low calibre and lousy efficiency.

To be added:
MaxxPro from 12/10 (Polish article http://www.altair.com.pl/start-5735)

Mi-24P (with 30mm gun) - several used from around 1996 (German gift)

That's all, unless I find some new info.

Michal

[Pibwl]

After a long time... excuse me digging out things and countries of minor importance (especially needing formation changes), but I've found an article on a modernization of Hungarian army in Polish magazine from 2020. You can ignore it as well, since Hungary wasn't involved in any conflict (although Orban would gladly take a part of Ukraine, if his Russia wins...)

39 2S1 Gvozdika - it shows, that they were withdrawn in 2004, and Hungary remained without SP artillery at all, until an advent of PzH-2000!

Moreover, WWII-era 122 mm howitzers M38 (175 122mm Section) were also gone by that date (no strange), leaving Hungary without units class 155 O/M medium artillery - only 152 mm howitzers D-20 remained (unit 177)

Edit:
Obviously, same for 091 122mm Field Gun (M38 howitzer) and 174 122mm Section (2S1)

64 BMP-1 - this unit is available in 1969-73, but they were delivered from 1973 only (next unit is 032 from 1/74).
Needs no change in formation, since there is BTR-50.

65 BMP-1 - withdrawn in 2007 (stored for some time afterwards), leaving Hungary without tracked APC/IFV, only BTR-80/A, until an advent of Lynx!

403,404 BMP-1 (scout vehicle) - the same - used in 1973-2007 (there is still left UAZ-469 until 125 in this class).
Units 403, 404 as scout vehicles were in fact BRM-1K, bought by Hungary according to the newer article. BRM-1K should have radar (TI/GSR 40), laser RF, photo 11488 and carry capacity 105 at best, like Soviet BRM-1K (in fact it had places for only 2 scouts, but carries unit 303 Scouts in Hungarian OOB, so...)

(BTW: speaking of scout variants of BMP-1, Polish OOB 403 BWR-1S Svatava and Czech OOB 404 BPzV Svatava should also have laser RF)

55 OT-64A - I have no firm info, when (and if) Hungary used OT-64 SKOT. Hungarian Wikipedia doesn't help. Anyway, surely there weren't any in 2007 (now 125).

(BTW: it is strange to me, why 408 BTR-60PB is available until 12/073 only, but I have no info)

Edit: more info as for OT-64 and BTR-60 below

66 PSzH-IV (light APC) - gone by 2020 or before (now 125). Needs change in form. 78, 90, as the only unit of that class

238 PSzH-IV (light support APC) - the same. No formation change needed (remains BTR-80).
(My guess is, that it could have been used also as a scout vehicle).

Edit:
According to Hungarian Internet, especially https://web.archive.org/web/20130609...ncelosok/pszh/, the name was just PSzH (even written as PSZH, despite "Sz" was a short of one word "szállító"), and PSzH-IV was just an export designation. According to the quoted page (of 2006), they were withdrawn "towards the end of the 90s".

By 11/23 Hungary acquired first two NASAMS SAM (from Norwegian OOB) (1/24 as a starting date?)