The Joys of Overzealous Moderators

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

Cant we all just get along?

How are you old chap? it's been over a decade since our first game together, back with the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategy crew, and I see that you are still offering disinterested hosting services, same as then.

You have always been a genuinely good guy. I manage people for a living nowadays, and I guess that makes me much more unforgiving. If you let behaviour like this fester in a corporate environment, the end result is a dead company.

Your conciliatory tone is even more ironic considering how much you have been the target of Callaghan's puns. He should be doubly ashamed. Thrice, considering that you might likely have the age to be his grandfather.

Whatever, if you do not want to push the issue, neither will I. I dislike Callaghan the incarnation, but I have nothing against Callaghan the player: if he joins the forum under a new name & a new attitude, it's a clean record as far as I am concerned. He could call himself Callaghan_Reloaded for all I care, I doubt Shrapnel would care either.

Executor:
Callaghan is obviously a perfectionist type. i know the type well enough: my wife is the same, and we have been married for over 12 years.

Perfectionists at their best are a great asset to any organization/community, they are incredibly energetic and focused, so they get **** done.

At their worst, however, they are a handicap, they fixate so much on the mistakes of others that they become a source of trouble & conflict, alienating other members and preventing them from reaching their full potential.

It's easy to see how Callaghan has been both things for this comunity.

Rdonj: He has his friends, such as you, to vouch for him. He can re-join and speak for himself. He is far from defenseless. Who vouches for your targets in Invision? I bet anyone that shows to defend himself will rather suffer a piling on. That's exactly the way of old boys clubs, bullies & hive minds. Do not expect an applause if that's the way you choose to act.
Besides, your place->your rules. This is Shrapnel's place, guess who gets to write the rules here.
You are the one who is missing the point because of your coloured glasses, try to be more objective.

Really, the cards are on the table. Callaghan gets to choose whether he wants to be a valuable asset for the Dominions community or just a troublemaker.

[Edi]

Originally Posted by Wendigo_reloaded

Besides, your place->your rules. This is Shrapnel's place, guess who gets to write the rules here.
You are the one who is missing the point because of your coloured glasses, try to be more objective.

Really, the cards are on the table. Callaghan gets to choose whether he wants to be a valuable asset for the Dominions community or just a troublemaker.

The catch here being of course that given past precedent for banning high octane contributors who may on occasion be troublesome, Calahan got the rawest deal for the least offenses that I have seen in six years, bar none: A summary ban without warning or public explanation.

Aside from including something (I don't know exactly what) about another poster in his sig, he hasn't done anything I haven't done at some point or another, though I did put some additional safeties (such as they are) on the flamethrower way back when I was made a moderator.

So it is not difficult to see why this caused such an uproar, because the question about the consistency of the enforcement of the rules and the basis on which it is done is, to those not privy to additional information, completely legitimate.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Wendigo_reloaded

Rdonj: He has his friends, such as you, to vouch for him. He can re-join and speak for himself. He is far from defenseless. Who vouches for your targets in Invision? I bet anyone that shows to defend himself will rather suffer a piling on. That's exactly the way of old boys clubs, bullies & hive minds. Do not expect an applause if that's the way you choose to act.
Besides, your place->your rules. This is Shrapnel's place, guess who gets to write the rules here.
You are the one who is missing the point because of your coloured glasses, try to be more objective.

So your argument is that because you *think* that the invision board is an old boy's club, you *expect* that someone who shows up to defend themselves will be voted off the island. Aside from the irony of saying something like that in this thread with some rather obvious piling on of calahan by a bunch of people who basically never post except when people are banned and the circular logic employed by your argument, the fact is that situations like this on the invisions board play out fairly similarly to how they do here, except that we don't ban people over there. And there are some people over on invision now who had a somewhat dubious reputation on the board at one point who have come over and been accepted now (after due process of an airing out of grievances). So, please stop making things up, kthanks

Edi: That was a hilariously accurate portrayal of Calahan, thanks for making me laugh.

[momfreeek]

Lets not pretend its the Land of Milk and Honey over there either..

Originally Posted by Wendigo_reloaded

Who vouches for your targets in Invision? I bet anyone that shows to defend himself will rather suffer a piling on.

I got:

"bad poster"
"s**t stirrer"
"troll" (numerous times)
"acting like a d**k"
"d**ksplash"
"nitpicky apologist"
"Shut up, Mr. momfreeek! You are not brought upon this world to get it!"

But there were some welcoming voices and yeah, they didn't ban me. Despite my faults, I think some of them are already coming round to the idea that I might not be a total tool ^^

[Radio_Star]

It's telling that this thread has been the source of more posts in the last five days than the rest of the forum combined over probably the last three to four weeks.

Draw your own conclusions.

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally Posted by Wendigo_reloaded

How are you old chap? it's been over a decade since our first game together, back with the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategy crew, and I see that you are still offering disinterested hosting services, same as then.

Im 56, my sons are mid 30s. Hopefully not quite the age to be grandpa to those here but I guess it could squeeze thru. I still haunt sissy pigs. Ive been on Internet since before it was called Internet.

You have always been a genuinely good guy. I manage people for a living nowadays, and I guess that makes me much more unforgiving. If you let behaviour like this fester in a corporate environment, the end result is a dead company.

Exactly the key. Corporate environment. And its a corporate environment which supports a game. Being compared to a forum which is fan owned and fan operated.

Your conciliatory tone is even more ironic considering how much you have been the target of Callaghan's puns. He should be doubly ashamed. Thrice, considering that you might likely have the age to be his grandfather.

Yeah I get flak for that. Ive been told to change (usually for a job) but by now they just have to accept that its me. Change is unlikely. All I did was move on to another job that wanted what I am. Less effort that way. And makes for a very diverse resume.

Now Im health retired so I care even less.

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally Posted by Wendigo_reloaded

Whatever, if you do not want to push the issue, neither will I. I dislike Callaghan the incarnation, but I have nothing against Callaghan the player: if he joins the forum under a new name & a new attitude, it's a clean record as far as I am concerned. He could call himself Callaghan_Reloaded for all I care, I doubt Shrapnel would care either.

Ive fought that battle online since before internet. "You know you cant really keep me out". And the official answer would never be "we dont care". But seriously, Ample gets booted off for being rude and then creates ex-Ample to sneak back in. He contributes to the posts and conversations but to not get caught he acts completely different than he did before.
Oh Ouch.