Current Finnish OOB - some notes for discussion

[dmnt]

One vital question about vision and rangefinders in the game:

Apilas sections for AT Co/Pl have in 1994 equipment listing night vision scope (1 / section, image intensifier type) and laser range finders (1 / section).

AT combat manual, in Finnish p. 214

For S 95 platoons it simply lists "a range finder" (p. 204) which I presume is an optical one.

The question: Should the LRF be added at all to these teams or will it break game balance either by making them too expensive without any added value or by making them supersoldiers who take down a tank just by looking at it?

[dmnt]

About 120mm mortar cluster munitions and intelligent ammo:

There are notes that there has been 120mm cluster munitions and armoured vehicle homing grenades, but:
"In 2010, a Ministry of Defence official stated that information on the size and composition of Finland’s stockpile of cluster munitions was confidential.[16]" http://www.the-monitor.org/custom/in...int_theme/3457

I found a thesis from early 2000s stating that there are both cluster and homing munitions but the exact types etc. were redacted from the public version. Most probably there have been STRIX + MAT-120 rounds, possibly others. A 2011 page in FDF site lists cluster munition round for 120mm mortar but this is after MAT-120 was decommissioned. My best assumption is that the ammunition for 120mm mortars and AMOS is exactly the same what our western neighbor (and/or Norway) is using, probably produced by Nammo, Nordic Ammunition Company.

I think I have to turn around and accept the fact that until public information is available, Finnish and Swedish mortar ammo should look the same.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I know the reason we kept them in the Swedish and Swiss OOBs and other importers of the weapons was because we had verifiable information that those weapons were in storage with these countries. Based on that fact we felt that in a time of war especially from an armor heavy Russia (And look at what we're dealing with now with Ukraine, increased exercises on the Scandinavian frontiers and Russia militarizing the Arctic region.) these weapons would be used until expended against an attack. This discussion occurred 3-4 years ago and I believe is either in the SPA/SPAA Thread or a separate thread Don started on the STRIX. After much discussion we felt it was the logical solution to keep them.

Regards,
Pat

[PvtJoker]

Originally Posted by dmnt

One vital question about vision and rangefinders in the game:

The question: Should the LRF be added at all to these teams or will it break game balance either by making them too expensive without any added value or by making them supersoldiers who take down a tank just by looking at it?

I don't think it would make them "supersoldiers". With a LRF hit probability against stationary targets will become much higher, but hitting moving targets with low FC value is still difficult, which IMHO is more or less much how it should be. And of course neither the 95 S (even with okr 95) or the Apilas have enough penetration to be effective against the frontal armor of modern Russian tanks, so players would still have to place them on good positions for flanking fire.