spob20 Yugoslavia

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

21 65mm Mtn Gun - picture is Russian 76mm M.13 (from Finnish OOB). Maybe it should be French 65mm mle 06 (picture 468)? Same for unit 320.

Agree, I think this is a better choice.

22 M7 105mm HMC - I don't insist to change the name, but out of interest, they were known as Serman (Sherman) self-propelled gun in Yugoslavian Army. Maybe M7 Sherman?..

23 M8 HMC - as above, they were known as Stuart self-propelled gun.

I don't think these were the official designations during WW2. Terminology wasn't consistent in any case. I'd probably leave them as-is.

63 Yak-9 - I don't know which version it is supposed to be, but an armament should be only 1 x 20mm gun (not 23mm) and 1 x 12.7 if it was most numerous Soviet Yak-9M, or 1 x 20mm and 2 x 12.7, if it's late-war high performance Yak-9U (less likely).

The only thing I was able to find regarding this is a recollection by a Yugoslav pilot. He actually mentions his commander's Yak-9 had a 23mm gun, but of course he could be mistaken since he's talking about something that happened 30 years ago.

Yugoslavia did have both Yak-9M and Yak-9U, but I have no idea whether the latter were acquired during WW2 or after it.

72 T-34/76 - in fact, T-34/76 were several captured ex-German machines (the soviet Union equipped Yugoslavian 2nd Tank Brigade with new T-34/85), so maybe class 159 Captured tank is better, so they won't be mixed.

True, though the 76s (there were 5 of them) were added to the same unit as the 85s. Still, I think your solution is probably better.

303 PzKw I B - photo is actually Pz IA (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...97186&start=15), as well as other photos of Croatian Pz I on this forum, so maybe unit's should be changed

I think they actually had both A and B versions. Problem is, sources sometimes confuse German and Croatian-operated tanks.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by zastava128

I don't think these were the official designations during WW2. Terminology wasn't consistent in any case. I'd probably leave them as-is.

Maybe not official, but at least they were called so in reports, according to bilingual "Armored units and vehicles in Croatia during WWII Part I" (which I have in scans)

T-34/76 is mentioned in this book only in a context of trophies of Stuart-armed 1st Tank bde.

As for PzKpfw-I, maybe it's best to omit Ausf letters?

To end the subject from my side, I'll quote myself from earlier posts, for consideration:

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Maybe there could be added Danube river monitors?...

There is already one ex-Yugoslavian in a Hungarian oob: #137 Drava (available 1/30-4/41), that could be copied, with its weapons. If a speed on water is calculated the same way, it could be faster: 13 knots (24 km/h) = 8 (now 5). Radio should be 90.

There could be also created several others, using Drava as a pattern, retaining AA gun and MG, only changing main artillery, all available 1/30-4/41:
- Vardar: had two 120/L45 and two 120 L/10 guns, 25 km/h
- Sava: had two 120/L35 (not 45) and one 120 L/10 guns, 24 km/h
- Morava: had two 120/L35, 18 km/h.

Icon 706 represents Drava, but it could also serve for others. Maybe Morava can use 708/709, for she was slightly narrower and had single turrets fore and aft (although she had oval stern). If anybody wanted to bother with creating icons, I can upload plans of all.

Croatian navy afterwards used Sava until 9/44 (sunk) and Bosna (former Morava) until 6/44. I don't know when they were commissioned - first they had to be raised and repaired (1942?)

Morava could use 228 icon

[zastava128]

Maybe not official, but at least they were called so in reports, according to bilingual "Armored units and vehicles in Croatia during WWII Part I" (which I have in scans)

Depends which reports. I've also seen the M8 called "Kadilak" (Cadillac) due to its engine.

There's a table showing some of the local designations on this page if you're interested (scroll to the end). It's in Serbian, but you'll be able to make sense of it I think:

http://www.srpskioklop.paluba.info/jna/1945-1948.htm

T-34/76 is mentioned in this book only in a context of trophies of Stuart-armed 1st Tank bde.

You're right, my bad. They were used by the 1st Tank bde. during the last few weeks of the war, but added to the 2nd Tank bde. after the war.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by zastava128

You're right, my bad. They were used by the 1st Tank bde. during the last few weeks of the war, but added to the 2nd Tank bde. after the war.

I thought so, that's logical

[zastava128]

One last thing - unit 590 (Cetnik AT) is currently available to Partisan formations, which it shouldn't be. This can be resolved by setting it's end date to 8/41.


Explanation:

My first thought was that the unit class was wrong. But it's actually the date that's the issue. If you look at units 591-593 (the other Cetnik units available at that time), you'll see their end date is set to 8/41.

This is because the AI will buy units 590-593 (Cetniks) in the period from 5/41-8/41, after which it exclusively buys Partisans. The Cetnik units in slots 291-297 all appear in 9/41 or later, and are never used by the AI.

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by zastava128

One last thing - unit 590 (Cetnik AT) is currently available to Partisan formations, which it shouldn't be. This can be resolved by setting it's end date to 8/41.


Explanation:

My first thought was that the unit class was wrong. But it's actually the date that's the issue. If you look at units 591-593 (the other Cetnik units available at that time), you'll see their end date is set to 8/41.

This is because the AI will buy units 590-593 (Cetniks) in the period from 5/41-8/41, after which it exclusively buys Partisans. The Cetnik units in slots 291-297 all appear in 9/41 or later, and are never used by the AI.

Sorry, I got this one wrong, changing the date won't fix it. It's the unit class that's causing the after all because it's the same class as the Partisan AT (class 2).

Unit 590 is just weird because its starting date is actually 9/41 (unlike units 591-593), and the AI doesn't buy it until then... making it appear alongside Partisan units. It thus becomes the only Cetnik unit bought by the AI from 9/41 on, and is available to the human player, under the Partisan AT formation (formation 111) rather than the Cetnik AT formation (formation 112).