Tank machine guns

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

also there will be no change to BMG/CMG/TMG in game ranges neither will selective TMG's be turned into BMG's

I'm not insisting on anything, but it always puzzled me: why BMGs have such poor range comparing to TMGs?.. The tankettes are handicapped this way. Maybe they could get TMGs?...

As for weapons mounted in opposite sides of a turret, I understand, that this is a compromise. It's better to have Type 97 tank shooting the gun and then the turret MG in one turn, than to remove an ability of firing the turret MG at all... In case of tanks with a gun, CMG and rear MG in a turret, it won't be a problem to remove one of MGs. (BTW: in case of Soviet T-35 tanks, one of 45mm guns should be removed, because there was no physical possibility to fire both guns at one target - unless the tank turned in front of the target, and then turned again to fire both its 45mm guns...).

In case of mentioned Polish wz.29 armoured car, note, that the variant with an AAMG is available only until 1932. Here is the same situation, with two (or even possibly three) weapons in different turret sides, manned by one man. The car also had a rear MG in a hull, which is removed in the game, because it was only useful in peculiar situations.

As for AAMGs in general, I guess, that in reality not all tank commanders always decided to open the hatch and fire at each aircraft, instead of sitting under an armour... Moreover: I don't think, that AAMGs were often used for firing at ground targets after firing a gun and CMG, and before another gun and CMG shot... But I'm afraid there's no practical solution.
Just a few thoughts...

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I'm not insisting on anything...

That's really good Michael as there is a cold and lonely place in Hell for people who think they have the right to do so.

Originally Posted by Pibwl

.....but it always puzzled me: why BMGs have such poor range comparing to TMGs?.. The tankettes are handicapped this way. Maybe they could get TMGs?...

A point you make, it seems to me, at least once a year.....I assume you feel if you nag long enough you'll get what you want ?

Originally Posted by Pibwl

(BTW: in case of Soviet T-35 tanks, one of 45mm guns should be removed, because there was no physical possibility to fire both guns at one target - unless the tank turned in front of the target, and then turned again to fire both its 45mm guns...).

As I recall going back nearly 20 years it was determined that in some cases it was possible to aim and fire both 45mm guns at a single target so both guns are included.YOU are the first one to make that an issue in 2 decades and it's staying as it is now. If you don't like it I suggest you and Kiwkki get together and create your own OOB's as it has become counter productive to advancing and improving THE GAME when I spend most of my time dealing with OOB minutiae that has little impact. The ranges for BMG's CMG's and TMGs were agreed on and set nearly 2 DECADES ago and now there are over 500 TMG/CMG/BMG's entered in the ww2 OOB alone ( 1008 in MBT ) and I see 2 people with issues with how we have them set up and neither of those two people are Andy and I



The illustration was not created to be definitive just to show that it could be done and when they were entered that was deemed a good enough reason to include both.

It does seem we have to remind some people that this is a game simulation and as such has limitations.... rear firing MG's are one of them and multiple turrets are another so their use is abstracted and if that's a problem......play something else. What we have now as deemed a fair compromise at the time but there will always be someone who thinks anything should be done the way they think it should be done but in this case this mod is mine and Andy's and we are happy with the status quo

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

A point you make, it seems to me, at least once a year.....I assume you feel if you nag long enough you'll get what you want ?

Probably it's because I never got the answer, if there's a reason, or it's just a tradition coming from some obscure reasons... So I assumed you just haven't noticed

Originally Posted by DRG

As I recall going back nearly 20 years it was determined that in some cases it was possible to aim and fire both 45mm guns at a single target so both guns are included. (...)

The illustration was not created to be definitive just to show that it could be done and when they were entered that was deemed a good enough reason to include both.

I've made more detailed picture and it seems, that it was possible - for targets situated around 48 degrees from center line in right rear corner, and 48 degrees in left front corner Turrets in a picture are turned at 48 degrees - and their lines of fire are perpendicular, with not much possibility to bend them more (maybe with MG turrets turned there will be a few degrees more). So we'd have to kindly ask an enemy to stay in one of these two places
But as you wish, if you believe it's realistically feasible in combat situation, I won't argue...