Cant figure this out.

[mottlee]

Originally posted by dogscoff:

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That's just plain cruel but quite effecitive. I'll haver to remember this one next time the population is "questioning my authority"

I swear the only reason MM put that feature in is to satisfy power-crazed sickos like us

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Open Airlock!..........POOF!



I just leave my troops on the planet for a turn and all is fine

[ August 30, 2002, 18:56: Message edited by: mottlee ]

[Gryphin]

Reguarding the mood of captured planets.
Frequently I have captured a planet and the race is Happy. I have noticed this happens in systems where I enter and capture within just a few turns. Planets in the same system that are captured sevearl turns later seem to be less accepting of their Liberation.
I'm speculating that the "Liberated" populous has the same mood from befor it was "Liberated" The longer my ships are there the worse the mood of the population.
Am I off base here?

[tbontob]

Hi Q

Originally posted by Q:

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Originally posted by Krsqk:
By default, native populations have an anger decrease, while all enemy populations have an anger increase. They're not keeping their own characteristics, though; you could mod a special happiness trait for your race, and even standard alien races would follow your happiness type.

It is a little bit more complicated as explained in a other topic on happiness:
The standard negative value of happiness decrease for your races moves the happiness towards indifferent. The standard positive value of happiness decrease for foreign races moves their happiness toward extremes, either angry or jubiliant. You could call this a choleric behaviour.
And your are right if the two values of the natural decrease are identical the happiness of your race and foreign races you captured will be identical.

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In the thread "Happiness...driving me to dispair", I paraphrased Q's research on a empires native population as follows:

Hmmmmmmmmm....

So what I hear Q telling us about the natural increase/decrease in happpiness is:

If your planet is
a) Indifferent
no change in the happiness state of the planet.
b) Happy or Jubilant
-2% change in the happiness of the planet.
c) Rioting, Angry or Unhappy
+2% change in the happiness of the planet.

The above is based on how we mortals view happiness (i.e. the greater the percentage, the greater the happiness)

Using MM's viewpoint where sublime happiness is 0%, the arithmetic signs above would have to be reversed.

Essentially, all things being equal, the native population of a empire will move towards an "indifferent" happiness state.

Q says this changes with a alien population. He seems to be saying there is no self-centering process with an captured population of an alien race. Y/N?

If yes, then in a peaceful race, wouldn't the two processes cancel each other out and all things being equal wouldn't the state of the alien population be either "happy" or "unhappy" but would not proceed any further to either extreme (i.e. Jubilant or rioting)?

Of course, the situation is different if one is running a "bloodthirsty race" or "neutral race" as the two processes do not cancel each other out.

Editing note: The 2 processes for a Peaceful empire are:
1) Natural decrease - own empire (as discribed above.) which is 20 points or 2%
2) Natural decrease - others which is 20 points or 2%

#1 above changes for a "bloodthirsty race" being 2 points or .2% and for a "neutral race" being 50 points or 5%

[ August 31, 2002, 14:27: Message edited by: tbontob ]

[Grandpa Kim]

Gryphin said:

I'm speculating that the "Liberated" populous has the same mood from befor it was
"Liberated" The longer my ships are there the worse the mood of the population.

This checks with my observations. In a recently completed war, the first few planets I "liberated" were jubilant, the next few were happy. Then I began getting indifferent followed by unhappy. The Last half dozen were angry! I have no doubt that had the war gone on a little longer, I would have had riots on my hands.

[Q]

Originally posted by tbontob:
Q says this changes with a alien population. He seems to be saying there is no self-centering process with an captured population of an alien race. Y/N?

If yes, then in a peaceful race, wouldn't the two processes cancel each other out and all things being equal wouldn't the state of the alien population be either "happy" or "unhappy" but would not proceed any further to either extreme (i.e. Jubilant or rioting)?

1.) Yes (if using the standard value
"Natural Decrease for Other Races := 20"
but this can be modded).
2.) No: It can't cancel each other because the natural decrease is either that of your native race or the one of other races but not both combined.

[capnq]

It can't cancel each other because the natural decrease is either that of your native race or the one of other races but not both combined.

Wouldn't both apply to a planet with more than one race on it?

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Q:

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Originally posted by tbontob:
Q says this changes with a alien population. He seems to be saying there is no self-centering process with an captured population of an alien race. Y/N?

If yes, then in a peaceful race, wouldn't the two processes cancel each other out and all things being equal wouldn't the state of the alien population be either "happy" or "unhappy" but would not proceed any further to either extreme (i.e. Jubilant or rioting)?

1.) Yes (if using the standard value
"Natural Decrease for Other Races := 20"
but this can be modded).
2.) No: It can't cancel each other because the natural decrease is either that of your native race or the one of other races but not both combined.

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So, the $64,000 question is when does the alien races's take precedent (or vice-versa)?