newest beta patch?

Suicide Junkie · #1 October 11th, 2002, 08:51 PM

Using the AS as a Borg weapon?

Why not just have Boarding Parties with the Organic Armor Regen ability?

That way, your borg still have to deplete the enemy shields (required to beam over), and they can keep capturing over and over.

geoschmo · #2 October 11th, 2002, 08:53 PM

Q, couldn't you give your Borg standard boarding parties instead of AS. And wouldn't this kind of make more sense anyway for the Borg?

The change is a big one, but it was made because of many many requests. From the way AS is supposed to work, it really doesn't make sense that it sould be able to capture a ship that has no crew simply by destroying the master computer.

Geoschmo

EDIT: SJ, even better with the organic regen.

[ October 11, 2002, 19:54: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Q · #3 October 11th, 2002, 09:14 PM

I don't argue if it is realistic or not. The problem for me is simply that a lot of work would be useless after this patch. And I think two years after the initial game release there should be no such irreversible changes. The most important feature of SE IV is it's ability to be modified. So if some people would like it to be changed, make it an option but not a hard coded irreversible change!!!!
I don't have the time and definitely not the wish to change all the AI research and design files for that new patch and therefore I just will not install it. But this means of course that I will be interested no more in the future development of SE IV, which makes me very very very unhappy.

[ October 11, 2002, 20:16: Message edited by: Q ]

Captain Kwok · #4 October 11th, 2002, 11:49 PM

I think it's a good change for the AS and makes perfect sense. That's one thing that always bothered me before, in that it could take over a ship without any crew.

SJ - I like the regenerating boarding parties for the Borg...I think I'll assimilate for use in the TNG mod.

AJC · #5 October 12th, 2002, 01:06 AM

install two copies....keep one of them back and patch the other to keep up with the current release..

[ October 12, 2002, 00:07: Message edited by: AJC ]

LGM · #6 October 12th, 2002, 06:11 AM

I am glad to hear that Organic armor will no longer acrue repair points before they are damaged. I have suspected that they did this as organic armor seemed to go away faster at warp-point battles (no approach time to accrue regen points).

I also like taking the AS/Virus combination away as there was no real good counter to that combination, except making sure you always have first fire.

Now, if only the Talisman were toned down a bit. Automatic Hit at range 8 (Range 14 for Large Weapon Platforms and Massive Base Mouints) is rather hard to overcome.

Gandalph · #7 October 12th, 2002, 07:06 AM

I can't believe some of the things I am reading in here.

I have to agree to some extent with Q. I spent alot of time putting together a mod for 1.67, which no one played incidently, that the 1.78 patch changed considerably and was frustrated at the amount of work necessary to put together a mod that gets changed with the next patch. IT IS ALOT OF WORK!

As to the people crying about "UBER" whatever, IMHO it is overcoming adversity and defying odds that makes this great game, well, great! I only play PBW now and when I lose, and you can bet that I do, I look at my strategies and the strategies of the opponent who took me out to see how I can learn.

With that said, I do think the change to the AS is unwelcome and unwarranted.

EDIT - Well if that doesn't lower my rating, nothing will!

[ October 12, 2002, 06:07: Message edited by: Gandalph ]