MP: Asia Twist - Wraithlord Wins!

[WraithLord]

Originally Posted by PashaDawg

If anybody wants any turn files, please let me know. I have backups of all turns and a master password.

Yes please

[WraithLord]

Turns 26-30:
26. Jump-starting blood eco. with B. Vaetti hags. Did I mention already how I love these little buggers?
Site search radar sweeps for D/S/N sites.
NAP with Bandar.
Uneasy NAP with Caelum.

27. Take first VP - Ctis capital. Gain lots of diseased giants
Bandar asks for my help against Van. I can't do that since I have Arco on my hit list

28. Hit const. 4.

29. Prioritize research, site searching and B hunting.
Eriu takes Ulm's VP

30. Trade for E. boots with TC. Mobilizing armies & sneaking SCs (Skratti werewolves again) towards Arco.
Find & recruit witches for access to E.

[WraithLord]

More pics

[DonCorazon]

Originally Posted by PashaDawg

If anybody wants any turn files, please let me know. I have backups of all turns and a master password.

Pasha, I'd like to take a look at them - thanks.

[DonCorazon]

I have given aid in the form of gems and items to underdogs. I even gave gems to an enemy that I tried to conquer. In that case, we slugged it out honorably and when the neighboring vultures of war sensed my weakness and lay siege to my walls and my fall was imminent, I sent my gems to my original enemy to help make up for the losses he incurred as a result of the attack I had originally instigated. I have never given aid to a player I thought was in the lead. I guess I like to see balance.

I think now a key factor in games I join or create in the future, are that all players commit to do their best to keep their nations alive. This stops short of saying you do everything you can to win, since it can quickly become clear you have no chance to win and to spend tons of time micromanaging a nation on its way down the toilet may be too much to ask for a recreational game.

But I think from an RPG perspective, if you imagine yourself the leader of a nation, you would do all you could to at least survive if the alternative was oblivion. That doesn't take much time - at the least, don't stale, recruit troops, and man your walls. As I implied above, I gave up trying to win in this game - stopped forging clams/stones when it became apparent I had no chance. But I fully intended to keep my VPs secure at all costs, even if it meant calling off a war to pull back my troops for defense. I monitored research, summoned troops, etc. I did not want Van or Jot to take a VP from me and neither of them even tried.

Maybe it is tough to interpret, but if players abided by the credo to Fight to Survive, it should eliminate those players abandoning games (another big flaw in Dom MP) or these unusual types of contested situations that leave a bitter taste in an otherwise great game.

In the end its just a game, but we all invest a lot of time in making our moves, so I can empathize with both parties. You guys are both key figures in the community - it would be nice to smooth this out and move on.

[Aristander]

Yes Don and as you remember I was the original enemy of which you speak.

[DonCorazon]

Indeed, I recall my lust for your Crystal Citadel led to my downfall...

[WraithLord]

@DonC, I like you new avatar

Now while I can surely sympathize with Archae's feelings I think the following facts need to be taken into considerations:
A. My military prowess far outclassed his. I have taken a look at his last turns and he had nothing even remotely close to what I had. I won't go into boring details. Anyone who wants to verify that is more than welcome as I can send both his and my turns.

B. I had, as of last turn, an 8th VP breached (one more than victory condition required) with nothing that Van or Caelum could throw at me that could prevent its falling to me.

C. Van has been keeping quiet about the huge stockpiles of gems he received. I got nothing even remotely close from my allies. He got, and this is just from the little I glimpsed in the few random turns I got, a staggering amount of 1366 gems!!! Enough to cast GoH and another global I don't recall it's name. Of course he also get items in addition. Now, as he likes to phrase it, is this not "throwing" the game?- What did I do so wrong to be hated so much(in the game) that the other nations would give all they have in order for Van to win???

I ask w/a honesty, how is that so different from what Arist. did?- He couldn't help by sending huge stockpiles of gems so he chose to burn ground and make a sacrifice for his (in-game) friend to win against, what I only now realize, what was an alliance of powerful gem rich nations.

Even with all those gems my all game long advantage was too big for Archae. to close the gap. He lost the game to a superior nation. I won the game after months of hard work and dedication and although I can relate to Archae's frustration I think he needs to just accept the fact that he lost and move over. I went through all the motions and tedious, meticulous and hard work that a player must go in order to get far in a dominions game - and I won at the end. It's extremely negative to go around disputing that after you lost.

Archae, I call upon you for all to witness. Get off that high tree you climbed. I'd invite over for a cup of beer to talk things over but alas that's not possible. We're both veterans avid fans of dominions, no reason we should be feeling so bad about each other.

[Calahan]

Originally Posted by WraithLord

@DonC, I like you new avatar

I haven't yet forgiven DonC for cruelly abandoning Butters the way he did

[archaeolept]

Originally Posted by WraithLord

@DonC, I like you new avatar

Now while I can surely sympathize with Archae's feelings I think the following facts need to be taken into considerations:
A. My military prowess far outclassed his. I have taken a look at his last turns and he had nothing even remotely close to what I had. I won't go into boring details. Anyone who wants to verify that is more than welcome as I can send both his and my turns.

This is not the case according to independent analysis by other vets. Also, quite irrelevant, though telling that you want to assert this. It is amusing to see you assert this counterfactual now.

B. I had, as of last turn, an 8th VP breached (one more than victory condition required) with nothing that Van or Caelum could throw at me that could prevent its falling to me.

You had already broken the walls twice and not taken it. I certainly could have stopped you. Also, you got two of your VP's from Aristander, not one.

C. Van has been keeping quiet about the huge stockpiles of gems he received. I got nothing even remotely close from my allies. He got, and this is just from the little I glimpsed in the few random turns I got, a staggering amount of 1366 gems!!! Enough to cast GoH and another global I don't recall it's name. Of course he also get items in addition. Now, as he likes to phrase it, is this not "throwing" the game?- What did I do so wrong to be hated so much(in the game) that the other nations would give all they have in order for Van to win???

my allies were sending me gems in order to help prevent your win, yes. That is common practice, as opposed to throwing your vps, which I have never seen in a vet game of Dominions. Ever. It is clearly not throwing the game as I had not won, and it would have been a hard fight. If Pangaia had vacated his two vps, and cast crumble on his castles while I teleported in w/ a couple units in a concerted action, then you could say that he was trying to throw the game.

The gems functioned to balance out my heavy losses in protecting caelum's vps and support the war.

I ask w/a honesty, how is that so different from what Arist. did?- He couldn't help by sending huge stockpiles of gems so he chose to burn ground and make a sacrifice for his (in-game) friend to win against, what I only now realize, what was an alliance of powerful gem rich nations.

Even with all those gems my all game long advantage was too big for Archae. to close the gap. He lost the game to a superior nation.

No I did not. What is the point of making these counterfactual assertions? If you had wished you could have demonstrated your power through the normal means of doing so. You clearly were adverse to taking that route, the one of actual conflict and resolution.

I won the game after months of hard work and dedication and although I can relate to Archae's frustration I think he needs to just accept the fact that he lost and move over. I went through all the motions and tedious, meticulous and hard work that a player must go in order to get far in a dominions game - and I won at the end. It's extremely negative to go around disputing that after you lost.

I can accept the fact that collaborating in having a game thrown is acceptable to you.

Now, I understand that after Balbarian's official warning, you are likely trying to get me banned through incitement. So be it. I will respond clearly to any innaccurate claims made by you, while endeavouring to remain within the official forum guidelines.