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Old August 24th, 2016, 03:01 AM

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Default Re: Netherlands OOB28 v.9

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12 20mm AT-Gun - I couldn't find info, that Dutch Army had 20 mm AT guns - all pages, especially http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...fantry-weapons write only about 47mm and obsolete 6 veld.
I think it's supposed to be a 20mm Madsen AA gun on an AT mount, judging by the photo in the OOB.

Compare: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=156167
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Old August 24th, 2016, 04:08 PM

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Default Re: Netherlands OOB28 v.9

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I think it's supposed to be a 20mm Madsen AA gun on an AT mount, judging by the photo in the OOB.
Yes, but I've found no info, that the Dutch had Madsens. They used only Oerlikons (and Isotta) as AA weapons.

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More about heavy artillery.

According to http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...-mm-and-150-mm , it seems, that the Dutch had no "off-map" heavy arty at all - 120 mm howitzers of two old models had range up to 6100 m, 150 mm howitzers - up to 8675 m (Krupp).
There were also ancient fortress guns 125 mm and 150 mm with better range 8,500m [HE 12,5 cm] and 8,800m [HE 15 cm], still not off-map: http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...-fortress-guns

Moreover, according to http://www.overvalwagen.com/KNILartillery.html, KNIL had no artillery bigger, then 105 mm.

Therefore, units 173, 176-178, 283, 284 with off-map heavy artillery troops seem redundant (105mm artillery would have to suffice).

174 120mm Staal FH - it was an ancient fortress gun, in fact 125 mm 12 lang staal Krupp - http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...-fortress-guns and http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...-12-lang-staal (photos). Range 8300 m - weapon #75 and its caliber should be corrected.
Best icon seems 61 or 2121.

175 120mm Krupp FH - a better name might be 120mm 12lang FH, since there were two howitzers: Krupp and (better) Bofors. Range up to 6100 m: http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...-mm-and-150-mm http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...sers-van-12-cm
Better icon is 2115

If we remove off-map 150mm howitzers, maybe an on-map one should be created?
More photos are at http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...ser-15-lang-15
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...ser-15-lang-17


As for 288 57mm Mtn Gun and 289 57mm Inf Gun (old 6-veld guns), I believe that icon 2111 with single tail would be better.

127 KNIL 8in NavGun - it might be only allied support, since the Netherlands had no 8in-gun cruisers.
A KNIL 4.7in Nav Gun might be added, unless we assume, that unit 045 5in (4.7 in fact) Naval Gun is enough both for Europe and KNIL.

BTW: the Dutch recognized naval arty in cm: 15 cm, 12 cm, 7,5 cm http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/Guns.htm
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