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Old September 11th, 2016, 06:24 PM

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Default Re: Bulgarian OOB19 v.9

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14 StuH 42 - I could find info in any articles, that Bulgaria used StuH 42 (...)

16 JPz IV/70A - ... only one JgPz IV/70 was used (but in ordinary V variant, not Alkett), and one JgPz IV/48. ...
(They were green, but I know it's not too important to bother...)

It is now in a formation 075 with a single Stug, there might be IV/48 added instead.

287 JPz IV/70A - same as above, but class Assault Gun after 6/45. There is a danger, that a battery with seven such vehicles can be taken...

I don't know if there is a sense to gather all these vehicles after 6/45 in a common Assault gun class - maybe it's better to keep them separated, like in 3/45-5/45?
Moreover, on a page https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2...B0%D0%BD%D0%BA) there is a mention, that 4 Hetzers and 5 other SP-guns formed a SP-gun battery within the 1st Army. The others were surely 2 Jpz IV and maybe 3 Stugs?.. or a command Turan and two L-40, although they are said to create a recce platoon?
Maybe it's worth to create in 3/45 and keep until the end such mixed unit, instead of formation 12 Assault Gun Bty?
I've contacted a guy, who wrote articles at Bulgarian Wikipedia, basing upon Kaloyan Matev "The Armoured Forces of the Bulgarian Army 1936-45".

According to Matev the assault gun battery of the 1st Army had 4 Hetzers, 3 Stug III, 1 Jgpz IV/70 (V) and one StuH 42. Apart from Stugs, which had been standard Bulgarian SP-guns before, the vehicles were given by the Soviets in 3/45. But the sole StuH 42 is suspicious, since reportedly it is missing in protocols of delivery from the Soviet Army. However, there was also existing Jagdpanzer IV L/48 (which survived in the museum, and probably is on a photo with Turan, that I'll attach).

So, if we leave 14 StuH 42, then we should add Jagdpanzer IV L/48 in the same category (SP Artillery), so the user can choose, which one is more credible. Then we'll have a perfectly correct formation 71 Assault Gun Bty, with all 7 vehicles (however I don't know which should be commanding vehicle..)

As I wrote before, I believe, that this formation and its sub-formations should exist until the end (now 5/45). I don't know if this battery existed as a whole after the war, but now we have formation 76 Assault Gun Bty from 6/46, with a danger of having 7 Jpz IV/70 or 7 Hetzers - while their number didn't increase after the war.

17 Scafo L-40 - its class Assault gun should be changed to sth else (eg. 52 SP-AT vehicle), because now they can be used interchangeably with Stugs. In fact, there were only two L-40 (known in Bulgaria as SPA vehicles...), and they were used in a recce unit with Turan tank only (form. 14 Arm Recce Pl).

I suggest names:
PzKw IVg - Maybach T-IV
Jpz-IV - SO T-IV (in fact, also known as Maybach T-IV SP-gun (SO or ShO - assault gun), but we should tell it apart from a tank, and full names will be too long...)
Jpz-IV/70 - SO T-IV/70
Hetzer: SO Praga (or just Praga)
Stug III: Maybach T-III
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Old September 12th, 2016, 06:12 PM

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Default Re: Bulgarian OOB19 v.9

To finish with Bulgaria:

7 PzKw IVh - PzKpfw IV (Maybach T-IV) were devoid of hull skirts soon after arrival - there are no photos of tanks with hull skirts at all, especially from their combat service. Also the photo shows the tank without hull skirts. I'd remove this unit, since we have 10 PzKw IVg - or one of them should be early tank with Dunkelgelb camo (icon 1409, 7/43-12/44), and the other - late tank (green icon 1408, from 1/45) and with a photo with shield markings.

There could be also added post-war tank, with turret skirts removed as well - from 6/45, although according to one photo, they might have appeared as soon as 3/45. I'm ataching some photos.

BTW: unit 10 PzKw IVg has too small turret side and rear armor, not counting skirts.

45 PzKw IIIn - there is no info about Pz III in Bulgarian service at all, especially as soon as 1943.

53 SdKfz 223 (Fu) - I'm attaching better photo - current one is in fact turretless SdKfz 261 captured by the Soviets


151,152 Drski Class
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http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_Hrabri2.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_Hrabri.jpg

(BTW: an interesting early 20th century torpedo boat, preserved in a museum in Varna)
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