Polish OOB 5.5

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Going farther, Inf-RR, Inf-AT, Inf-ATGM and misc. guns:

068 B10 Recoilless (inf-RR) - according to sources, used in Poland from mid-1950s (1/55 is quite likely) until 1980s at best (now: 1/50-12/99. 1/50 is impossible, since it was accepted by the Soviets in 1954). It was gradually replaced with SPG-9 and I'd say, that latest date of B-10 in units should be no later, than 12/79 - definitely not after 1989. Secondary weapons should be SMG (eg. 006) instead of rifle. Better picture IMO is 29396.

In 1994 it was reported as withdrawn - although they are apparently still kept in warehouses, and 4 were sold in 2009 to Afghanistan!

OK Michal, let's review what you wrote

The B10 Recoilless was:

a/ Used."until 1980s at best "

b/ "should be no later, than 12/79 "

c/ "definitely not after 1989"

d/ "In 1994 it was reported as withdrawn - although they are apparently still kept in warehouses"


Would you like another chance to make that MORE confusing and inconsistent ?

To recap what you have told me--- It should be taken OOS in 1979 but it was used until the 80's but no later than 1989 but it was listed as officially withdrawn in 1994 but they are being kept in warehouses and some have been sold.

FYI...they now exist in the OOB until 1989 or until you can come up with information that doesn't contradict itself 5 times

Originally Posted by Pibwl

In fact, early RPG-7 used PG-7V round with 260mm penetration, then RPG-7V introduced PG-7VM round with 300-330mm penetration in 1969 (in Poland since 1972). ........

Yes we know about the early round. If you look at the OOB's the early RPG-7 round does not exist anywhere because that conserved unit and weapons slots in the Russian OOB that were and are in very short supply and , like the Panzerfausts in SPWW2 that have been blended into one so the stock "RPG-7" is represented as the 330mm penetration version in all OOB's. It only served for a short time before the improved version and this saved a lot of unit slots in a lot of OOB's and we didn't think the added penetration earlier made a whole lot of difference in the game so it's an amalgamation


Don

[Pibwl]

Somehow I haven't noticed that post:

Originally Posted by DRG

OK Michal, let's review what you wrote

The B10 Recoilless was:

a/ Used."until 1980s at best "

b/ "should be no later, than 12/79 "

c/ "definitely not after 1989"

d/ "In 1994 it was reported as withdrawn - although they are apparently still kept in warehouses"

Again, sorry for too much mess. It was definitely not used after 1989. 1994 is not a year of withdrawal, but a year of an article on B-10, in which it is reported as gone (there is no specified ending date, but it says, that they started to be replaced from late 60s and it seems from a context, that it must have been gone for at least several years). I believe, that 12/79 is closer to true ending date, but I have no firm info
Other information were just as a point of interest - it surprised me as well, that they are stored (although they could theoretically be put out of warehouses in case of, say, major war and a need of creating guerilla units

Originally Posted by DRG

FYI...they now exist in the OOB until 1989 or until you can come up with information that doesn't contradict itself 5 times

1989 is a safe date - although I'm pretty sure it was gone before.

Originally Posted by DRG

Yes we know about the early round. If you look at the OOB's the early RPG-7 round does not exist anywhere because that conserved unit and weapons slots in the Russian OOB that were and are in very short supply and , like the Panzerfausts in SPWW2 that have been blended into one so the stock "RPG-7" is represented as the 330mm penetration version in all OOB's. It only served for a short time before the improved version and this saved a lot of unit slots in a lot of OOB's and we didn't think the added penetration earlier made a whole lot of difference in the game so it's an amalgamation

I thought so. But since Poland didn't use newer Soviet rounds, it could have 260mm and 330mm rounds separated (although it's a handicap comparing to other RPG-7 users

As for the new Polish round PG-7MT (correctly PG-7MT1), about which I wrote that its status is unclear - it is possible, that some limited number was bought and it should be added from some 2008. Weapon #152 RPG-7MT needs modification - it has tandem Heat round, with penetration stated as ERA+500, range 300m [in nTW 5/2006 magazine].

Michal